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08-11-2016, 11:02 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Dot we go into a collective conscious and leave our subjective body. Einstein believed in god why not anybody else is it becuase they see a destroyed world. Why if a book is giving hope for an afterlife dont you want to believe it.
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08-11-2016, 11:13 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(08-11-2016 11:02 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Dot we go into a collective conscious and leave our subjective body.

No evidence for such a thing.

Quote:Einstein believed in god...

First of all, that is an Argument from Authority logical fallacy. Einstein knew a great deal about physics and mathematics, and was an excellent violinist. That does not make him an expert on whether or not gods exist. Name-dropping a famous person does not make your argument true. If the famous person's expertise produces actual evidence, rather than opinion or belief, then and only then is it appropriate to reference them. Facts must stand on their own.

Secondly, Einstein's idea of gods was very different from the Biblical one that you are proposing, and he is actually down on record as stating that he did not believe in a personal god:

Quote:“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

- Albert Einstein in letter to Joseph Dispentiere, March 24, 1954

Quote:why not anybody else is it becuase they see a destroyed world. Why if a book is giving hope for an afterlife dont you want to believe it.

Because hope is the denial of reality. Why would I want to lie to Myself by trying to believe in things that I think are absurd?
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08-11-2016, 11:15 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(08-11-2016 11:02 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Dot we go into a collective conscious and leave our subjective body. Einstein believed in god why not anybody else is it becuase they see a destroyed world. Why if a book is giving hope for an afterlife dont you want to believe it.

'Want' doesn't enter into it. Evidence is required.

Quote:https://www.cnet.com/news/scientist-quan...afterlife/

He's not a physicist; his opinion on this isn't worth squat. And biocentrism is anthropocentric woo.

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09-11-2016, 12:13 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(08-11-2016 10:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  http://biblehub.com/job/26-7.htm
If you actually read up they weren't misogynist than what you hear, its only in the new testament do you see things like that pop up and there were both sins women and men had to abide by without looking bad. What failed predictions did they make and it says just becuase the people were bad doesn't make god bad. I don't think god accepted anything the jews did shownby him punishing them all the time.

Yes, they were openly misogynistic. They were a Patriarchal society, which means they literally believed men were superior to women.

Women were the property of their fathers until such time as they became the property of their husbands. Women had literally no rights of their own; what value they held was in terms of their value to the man who owned them-- it's why the penalty for raping a woman (presumably destroying her virginity and thus her financial value as a bride) was to pay her father 50 shekels and take her as a wife. If a woman didn't "cry out" while being raped, something we now know is a psychological reaction some people have to extreme terror, they were presumed to be "in on it" and could be executed. Women, but not men, were executed for being unfaithful... indeed, male virginity is never mentioned in the Bible, Torah or New Testament.

They even had laws in the Torah about how women (and any clothes they wore and furniture they sat on) were impure during menstruation, and that girl children (and the mothers who gave birth to daughters) were twice as impure as boy children (and the moms who gave birth to sons). We know that's all rubbish, today, but they seem to have been serious about it.

It absolutely baffles me that you can sit there with a (presumably) straight face and tell me that they weren't misogynist!

As for the failed prophecies, try Google®.

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09-11-2016, 04:37 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(08-11-2016 11:02 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Einstein believed in god [...]

As others have eloquently pointed out, this is nothing more than a willful misrepresentation of what Einstein actually said. It's commonly used by theists as a straw man and is totally without warrant. You'll need to do a lot better than that mate.

Quote:https://www.cnet.com/news/scientist-quan...afterlife/

Professor Robert Lanza is a great believer in ancient Eastern philosophies that often believe in some sort of afterlife. Interviewed by Deepak Chopra (LOL!) Lanza said:

... And as you do point out there’s a long list of traits all the way from atoms to stars that make everything since the Big Bang to the present time appear as though it was tailor made for us.

So for instance if the Big Bang had just been one part in a million more powerful the cosmos would have blown out too fast for stars and worlds to form. The result of course is no us.

Again there are over 200 parameters so exact that it really strains reason to think that they’re purely random. You tweak any of them and you never existed. So again without biocentrism or introducing consciousness or life into the equation none of this makes any sense.


So, more than 200 parameters = God. Of all people, Lanza should know better. And not let himself be intellectually seduced by a lying arsehole like Chopra.

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09-11-2016, 06:17 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(06-11-2016 07:56 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Also quantom physict is already proving a spiritual realm.

(08-11-2016 09:33 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You know quatum theory hasn't even come close to figuring anything

You are an incredibly dishonest individual.

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09-11-2016, 06:19 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(08-11-2016 11:02 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Why if a book is giving hope for an afterlife dont you want to believe it.

There we have it, you want to believe because it says things that you want to be true.

I think I like the Mormon's fairy tale, you can own an entire frikkin' planet after you die, and I don't think hell is a place you go to in their fairy tale.

It's just a better mythology than the Judeo-Christian one.

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09-11-2016, 06:20 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(08-11-2016 09:33 PM)socialistview Wrote:  your trying to deny it before we gain information. Why can't you believe that mabe there's a life beyond the dead.

Because there is no good evidence that it is true

(08-11-2016 11:02 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Why if a book is giving hope for an afterlife dont you want to believe it.

Because I live in reality and not in a fantasy world. I believe things for which there is evidence and not because I'd like them to be true. What I might want to be true doesn't matter if it isn't.

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09-11-2016, 06:27 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(08-11-2016 10:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  If you actually read up they weren't misogynist than what you hear, its only in the new testament do you see things like that pop up

Bullshit; it's clear that women were nothing more than property in most cases

Quote:and there were both sins women and men had to abide by without looking bad.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Please try to stay on subject.

Quote:What failed predictions did they make

What predictions did they make that came true and can't easily be explained as wishful thinking or random chance?

Quote:and it says just becuase the people were bad doesn't make god bad.

Who said it did? Your god is evil based on his own actions as we've already been over repeatedly.

Quote: I don't think god accepted anything the jews did shownby him punishing them all the time.

Maybe if he'd been a better designer he could have fixed the flaws in his creation... or perhaps it is all just made up and the god reflects the character of the primitive tribal societies that created him.

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09-11-2016, 10:17 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(09-11-2016 06:17 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 07:56 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Also quantom physict is already proving a spiritual realm.

(08-11-2016 09:33 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You know quatum theory hasn't even come close to figuring anything

You are an incredibly dishonest individual.

And he's spelled "quantum" two different ways and still hasn't gotten it right.

Laugh out load
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