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12-11-2016, 07:51 PM
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Have youv tried this
http://www.gods-and-monsters.com/summoning-demons.html
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12-11-2016, 08:19 PM
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And astreja why have youv left it.
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12-11-2016, 09:27 PM
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(12-11-2016 08:19 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And astreja why have youv left it.

Because it's bullshit, I'd say. Drinking Beverage

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12-11-2016, 09:48 PM
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(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well I'm a science major so I've taken biology I know everything about it.

No you're not, and no, you don't.

Quote:We have never found a common link between any animal changing from one form to another ever [...]

And this proves my above. EG: Pakicetus, a land-dwelling 4-legged mammal, and the Eschrichtius robustus, or modern gray whale.

Sorry; you lose.

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12-11-2016, 10:33 PM (This post was last modified: 12-11-2016 10:38 PM by Astreja.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(12-11-2016 08:19 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And astreja why have youv left it.

Because as much as I like the idea of magic, I think it's just a flight of the imagination with no actual supernatural realm behind it.

Or, as Chas puts it, it's bullshit.

(And why on earth would I want to summon a demon? If I was going to summon anything, it would be a dragon. I Heart dragons. (Mind you, the dragon would probably just harrumph and look at Me funny.)
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12-11-2016, 10:46 PM
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(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  No jesus said heavens here on earth.

No, he didn't. The people who fabricated the gospels put those words in his supposed mouth, but none of the gospel writers were eye witnesses. None of them were even written within the lifetime of a supposed Jesus. At best, they were written decades after the fact, and even then the best preserved copies we have come from centuries later (and they're filled with discrepancies between each manuscript).


(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  What about ghost they say there energy and they give off magnetic waves.

What about ghosts? Ghost shows on television are bollocks, and certainly aren't taking place in controlled environments where any possible outside magnetic interference is being accounted for. Why would they? They're not publishing scientific papers, they're making bad television. Why do the work, when faking it and lying to the audience is so much easier?






(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well I'm a science major so I've taken biology I know everything about it.

The fuck you have liar. I was an art major (but the degree was a Bachelor of Science), and I have a far superior cursory knowledge of what evolution is, how it works, and the evidence in support of it. Plus, nobody knows 'everything' about it. Even the world's best geneticist is just that, a geneticist. Being an expert in one field does not make you a master of all of them. Your arrogance belies your utter ineptitude.


(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  We have never found a common link between any animal changing from one form to another ever and microevolution doesn't explain macro.

Funny, for knowing 'everything' about evolution, you seem only able to repeat long debunked creationist canards born out of ignorance.


(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I wish I remember my early classes I could tell you the flaws of evolution.

We've heard them all before. Anyone who actually knows enough about modern biology to talk about the actual gaps in our current understanding also knows enough to know that evolution is factually true and a demonstrable reality.




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12-11-2016, 10:49 PM
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(12-11-2016 04:03 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You remeber they tell you to put a metal rod between your hand and ghost move it by magnetism.

No. Do it with a non-magnetized metal or a plastic, it'll move the very same way. It's called the ideomotor effect, you credulous putz.



The ideomotor effect refers to the influence of suggestion or expectation on involuntary and unconscious motor behavior. The movement of pointers on Ouija boards, of a facilitator's hands in facilitated communication, of hands and arms in applied kinesiology, and of some behaviors attributed to hypnotic suggestion, are due to ideomotor action.

Ray Hyman (1999) has demonstrated the seductive influence of ideomotor action on medical quackery, where it has produced such appliances as the "Toftness Radiation Detector" (used by chiropractors) and "black boxes" used in medical radiesthesia and radionics (popular with naturopaths to harness "energy" used in diagnosis and healing.) Hyman also argues that such things as Qi Gong and "pulse diagnosis," popular in both Traditional Chinese Medicine and Ayurvedic medicine as practiced by Deepak Chopra, are best explained in terms of ideomotor action and require no supposition of mysterious energies such as chi.

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12-11-2016, 10:58 PM (This post was last modified: 13-11-2016 06:40 AM by EvolutionKills.)
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(12-11-2016 06:06 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You think your so smart but things go over your head the things research have found.

Over our heads? You're drowning in the shallow end of the pool, unable to even tread water, and you're worried about what we don't understand?

Maybe you aught to stop drowning yourself first, yes?


(12-11-2016 06:06 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Lets talk about quantum mechanics time bends so if you have no mass than you live forever.

Uh, no?

Are you a quantum physicist? No, you most assuredly are not.

Has there ever been anything observed that we would match the definition of 'life' that did not contain mass? No.

You are a buffoon.


(12-11-2016 06:06 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Energy has no mass.

Energy is not alive.


(12-11-2016 06:06 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Could you think god as energy from which we go back to. And so ghost are energy roaming around unseen as energy.

That's post-hoc reasoning, and no religion defines their god as 'just' energy, or else people would be worshiping batteries and power stations.

Just asserting that ghosts' exists, and they are energy' doens't make it true. What energy are they? How are they contained? How does human consciousness get transferred into this energy state? How does it not dissipate? How does it interact with the world?

You have answers for none of those things, so you're talking nothing but bullshit again. Merely asserting something is true does not make it a fact.

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12-11-2016, 11:16 PM (This post was last modified: 12-11-2016 11:39 PM by EvolutionKills.)
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(12-11-2016 06:12 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And how's that trolling I'm telling yi u why you don't see magical creatures.

No, you are making shit up. You are lying.


(12-11-2016 06:12 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Many people have claimed they have seen unusual and supernatural things why are you denying it just becuase you yourself haven't seen a thing.

You have no idea just how faulty human perception of reality is, do you?

One should always scale their belief in a claim to the evidence in support of it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Eye witness testimony is the worst kind of evidence, so bad in fact that it's never used in science.

So no, we are not convinced of the existence of the supernatural by the accounts of a few credulous fools who think they saw something. That's not good enough.


(12-11-2016 06:12 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Why don't you try witchcraft, you have to try before saying its false.

Because it is false. It's no more real than stage magicians.

If it wasn't, we'd be duty bound to stone you to death, so be happy for that.


(12-11-2016 06:12 PM)socialistview Wrote:  The only reason why you can't prove the supernatural is becuase you can't grasp it and don't know what questions to ask and how to go about things.

No, that would be you. We know how to check our biases, to do our best to make sure that we do not fool ourselves. You do the opposite, letting your biases dictate your beliefs. It's the very worst way of determining what is and is not true. If we'd kept to it exclusively, we'd still be living in pig shit and burning heretics for bad harvests.

There's a reason it's called the Dark Ages. They were not good critical thinkers, and had no concepts of scientific inquiry. The countryside was abound with witches and warlocks at that time. The people back then very much so believed in magic. Yet magic never made their lives any better. Magic didn't cure disease, it didn't cure hunger, it didn't improve their standard of living. No, it took science to do that. It took evidence based reasoning to do that. Witchcraft didn't cause smallpox, witchcraft didn't cure smallpox; but science did cure it. Thousands of years to show off it's potential, but it didn't. Magic has accomplished fuck all in human history, except breed more misery


(12-11-2016 06:12 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You can't conclud something you haven't tried yet.

Uh, yeah. The burden of proof is on you to show that you have anything more than conformation bias. No practitioner of any supernatural woo has ever been able to demonstrate their 'art' inside controlled laboratory conditions. Once you make sure that they have nothing up their sleeve, that they haven't prepared their trick in advance, that they're not just preying on the credulous; they all fall apart. No supposed psychic has ever been able to do better than someone else just guessing. No magician has ever been able to manifest any measurable energy or have any measurable affect on their surroundings. No prayer has ever worked better than a placebo (and it has actually been documented to cause negative side effects, most likely from people being worried about people praying for them). Nobody is moving ball bearings around with their mind.

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12-11-2016, 11:35 PM
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(12-11-2016 07:37 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I think you can explain anything.

No, but we're honest when we do not know something. You however, are not.

If you can not show it, then you don't know it. You claim to 'know' things, but you don't have the evidence to back it up. Thus, you cannot 'show it', which means you do not 'know it' to be true. Yet you still claim it is true. That makes you a liar.


(12-11-2016 07:37 PM)socialistview Wrote:  The supernatural coinencides with the natural. Opposites but connected together.

No. The supernatural, by definition, exists outside of nature. Therefore you cannot interact with it, you cannot measure it, you cannot observe it. Because of this, you cannot even know if it exists. It is a hypothetical, not a fact of reality. So you have no basis to make this claim, no evidence, which makes you a liar.


(12-11-2016 07:37 PM)socialistview Wrote:  How do you know energy is not alive I believe life gives life that's all you can see in nature.

Look up the definition for 'life', any reasonable and demonstrable definition will define it as more than just energy. You believing in it doesn't make it true, or else the Force would really exist because of the fervent wishes of Star Wars fanboys the world over. Nobody is lifting rocks with their mind just because they saw Luke Skywalker do it, and now they really believe they can too.

We don't prosecute people for destroying batteries, because they're not alive, you schmuck.

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