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13-11-2016, 02:23 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 02:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Its based on belief then your belief will be justified. They can't find anything from him.

Real evidence doesn't require that you believe in it for it to be true.

The atomic structure of water is 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen, and whether or not you believe that fact to be true does not change the molecular structure of water. You can disbelieve that fact all you want, but because it is a fact built upon demonstrable and testable evidence, your belief in it's validity is not required. The molecular structure of water doesn't require your belief, and exists independent of it.

If a god really existed, how come it cannot be held to the same standard as a water molecule?


Simple answer? Because it simply doesn't exist.

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13-11-2016, 02:29 AM
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I'm disturbed, truly, by how often I have to point out to religion-poisoned people that the word "evidence" literally means it is evident to anyone who examines it, and not just to those who believe something.

If you have to believe it before it becomes evident, then it is not evidence. Period.

Edit to Add: Now, want to bet against me? ... I bet that SV doesn't actually address any of the biology arguments I brought up. C'mon... five bucks?

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13-11-2016, 02:33 AM
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(13-11-2016 02:29 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Edit to Add: Now, want to bet against me? ... I bet that SV doesn't actually address any of the biology arguments I brought up. C'mon... five bucks?

That would be a very bad bet to take you up on.

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13-11-2016, 02:35 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 02:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Its based on belief then your belief will be justified. They can't find anything from him.

Belief without evidence is just belief. It is not "justified" at all.
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13-11-2016, 02:48 AM
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If your supposed 'evidence' for the supernatural or the divine only exists after you imagine it, it's because they are imaginary.

This is not a hard concept to grasp socialistview. Facepalm

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13-11-2016, 03:09 AM
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So were all from the same earth so were predisposed to have all of the same type of amino acids as any other animal since we all come from the same earth. And so god turned on genes to make us in his image. Why hasn't an experiement been done for that. Thats lack on your part being lazy not to do it I would if I had the means. I have witnesses you can ask I had my theology teacher tell me something was telling him to tell me that god wss pleased with me. Had prophysies that I'm suppose to be a great prophet and the worlds suppose to know me. God listens and he will give you what you want he says his words does not come backb to him void. I never heard of anybody having unaswered prayers I've seen it cancer gone aids gone white blood cell count down. God has shown himself to all people at times the caananites heard and saw what god did for the jews everybody did but its like god says you don't deserve it if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil.
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13-11-2016, 03:23 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  So were all from the same earth so were predisposed to have all of the same type of amino acids as any other animal since we all come from the same earth. And so god turned on genes to make us in his image. Why hasn't an experiement been done for that.

Because first we would have to find your alleged god so that we can test it to see if it has the ability to create amino acids. We can't run experiments on something that isn't there, you know.

Quote:Thats lack on your part being lazy not to do it I would if I had the means. I have witnesses you can ask I had my theology teacher tell me something was telling him to tell me that god wss pleased with me. Had prophysies that I'm suppose to be a great prophet and the worlds suppose to know me. God listens and he will give you what you want he says his words does not come backb to him void. I never heard of anybody having unaswered prayers...

Aha, I called it -- it appears that you did indeed go to some sort of Bible college rather than a reputable university with a real Faculty of Science.

Quote:I've seen it cancer gone aids gone white blood cell count down.

"Seen it" as in "My pastor showed us a movie with a bunch of cells jiggling around and then in the next scene all the bad cells were gone"? *giggle* *snort*

Quote:God has shown himself to all people at times the caananites heard and saw what god did for the jews everybody did but its like god says you don't deserve it if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil.

It's just a fucking mythological story told by a bunch of pig-ignorant Bronze Age goat-herders. I believe with every fibre of My being that your god has never uttered a single word -- because it does not exist.

As for "if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil," that is slander against Myself and other non-believers.
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13-11-2016, 03:35 AM
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(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVnsCRK_qA
So were all from the same earth so were predisposed to have all of the same type of amino acids as any other animal since we all come from the same earth. And so god turned on genes to make us in his image. Why hasn't an experiement been done for that. Thats lack on your part being lazy not to do it I would if I had the means. I have witnesses you can ask I had my theology teacher tell me something was telling him to tell me that god wss pleased with me. Had prophysies that I'm suppose to be a great prophet and the worlds suppose to know me. God listens and he will give you what you want he says his words does not come backb to him void. I never heard of anybody having unaswered prayers I've seen it cancer gone aids gone white blood cell count down. God has shown himself to all people at times the caananites heard and saw what god did for the jews everybody did but its like god says you don't deserve it if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil.


You're still here?

Prove your god exists. NOW!

If not, please leave us alone. Poor Astreja is too good to argue with the likes of you.

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13-11-2016, 03:40 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 03:23 AM)Astreja Wrote:  ...
As for "if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil," that is slander against Myself and other non-believers.

Libel.

I've joined this thread at the end. Please can someone reassure me that this one is a victim of Murikan education rather than British or Asian.

Thanks.

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13-11-2016, 03:49 AM (This post was last modified: 13-11-2016 03:53 AM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Okay, let's address this, one bit at a time.

(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  So were all from the same earth so were predisposed to have all of the same type of amino acids as any other animal since we all come from the same earth.

None of that has anything at all to do with what I stated. Being comprised of the same materials is (you're right!) not necessarily indicative of being from common ancestry. It only shows we're made of the same materials on the same planet. But it's not even close to my point, or even close to addressing the points I raised. Not. Even. Close.

(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And so god turned on genes to make us in his image. Why hasn't an experiement been done for that. Thats lack on your part being lazy not to do it I would if I had the means.

What does this even mean?

I'm not talking about "turned on" genes, but genes that used to do something, and which still do something in other related lineages that didn't have it switched off in between the time of the common ancestor and the current time of our diverged populations, while our ancestors between those points did have it switched off, and we inherited the switched-off version.

And all jokes aside, what exactly would "an experiment to determine if we had genes switched on to be in God's image" even look like? That sentence must have made sense in your head before you typed it, so please help me to understand what you even mean.

But I'll tell you what. My wife (a Christian, by the way) is also a biologist and currently works in a genetics lab in Kansas City. If you tell me exactly what sort of experiment you mean, I'll suggest it to her. I'm not joking or being funny, here. If you think there's a way to conduct such an experiment, tell me how it might even look, and she and I will try to design and test it. I would imagine that if we figure out how to test for such a thing, we'd win the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God listens and he will give you what you want he says his words does not come back to him void.

Actually, that's the sort of claim religion makes that's actually testable... and it turns out that prayer fails. Feel free to read the repeated studies that have been done on this subject. Turns out that in "double blind" studies (where no one involved at the patient level knows who is being prayed for and who isn't), there's ZERO difference. On the other hand, when people do know they're being prayed for, they often recover better than people who aren't, suggesting that our expectation of being healed by prayer causes a "placebo effect" (where sugar pills "cure" people because they think it's a real medicine). On the other hand, in one of the more rigorous tests of cardiac patients, people who knew they were being prayed for showed a negative outcome, presumably because they gave up trying to get better on their own and counted on magical powers that weren't there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on...ory_prayer


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I never heard of anybody having unaswered prayers I've seen it cancer gone aids gone white blood cell count down. God has shown himself to all people at times the caananites heard and saw what god did for the jews everybody did but its like god says you don't deserve it if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil.

As someone who has volunteered with HIV/AIDS organizations for a couple of decades, now, I'm genuinely pissed off that you could even say this. No one has ever been cured of HIV by prayer, and whoever told you so is an asshole. Period.

They have actually done prayer studies of AIDS patients being prayed for, and found no difference in the CD4 (T-cell) or "viral load" counts between those who were receiving prayers and those who weren't.

You know what does work? Science. Medicines have advanced to the point that if a person with that awful disease is treated by modern medicine, and sticks to scientifically-developed treatment regimens, they have an almost 100% chance to live a full lifespan, now.

Final score in fighting HIV?

Science: 1
Prayer: 0



Edit to Add: And I would like to add my voice to the others who are pointing out to you that your "becuase [sic] your [sic] wanting to be evil" statement is straight out slanderous/libelous.

How dare you?

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