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13-11-2016, 04:04 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  So were all from the same earth so were predisposed to have all of the same type of amino acids as any other animal since we all come from the same earth.

Predetermined? So your god couldn't control the atomic composition of our planet?

Because if it could, there's no reason that life need be really complex chemistry. If gods and magic are real, we could all be golems; entirely inanimate and nonreactive material brought to life by some ephemeral otherness. But we're not. We're all made out of the same amino-acids, share the same complex chemical reactions, because we all share a common ancestor.

Precisely what you'd expect to find if life arose naturally over time through chance.


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  And so god turned on genes to make us in his image.

His image?

What does your god need with binocular vision? Why does your god's eyes have blind spots, if he is such a great designer? What does your god need with lungs to transfer oxygen atoms with the blood? Why does your god stand on two feat and require bipedal locomotion? Why does your god have a tail bone but no tail?


Best of all, how does this conception square with a pure energy god that you were crying about earlier?


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Why hasn't an experiement been done for that.

If you knew anything about the scientific method, you'd already have your answer. What happened to your big-bad Bachelor of Science degree? Not all that you're cracked up to be, are you sport?


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Thats lack on your part being lazy not to do it I would if I had the means.

People who cannot be bothered with punctuation have no grounds to criticize other's for perceived laziness. Throwing stone, glass houses, all that jazz.


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I have witnesses you can ask I had my theology teacher tell me something was telling him to tell me that god wss pleased with me.

Say it with me again.

Eye witness testimony (especially from the biased and credulous) is not evidence.

How come if your god was so pleased, he couldn't have told you himself? And done so in such a way as to make it impossible to doubt that it was the source of the message? How come your god is so weak and ineffectual that it can only do work through other people who already believe in it's existence and power? Why can it not demonstrate it's power to skeptics?

Simple answer? Because such a god only exists inside the imaginations of those who already believe. That is why such a being is so utterly powerless, it is imaginary.


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Had prophysies that I'm suppose to be a great prophet and the worlds suppose to know me.

You and every other cult leader singe the beginning of time. You are not unique or special. Indeed, your ignorance and delusion is sadly banal and commonplace.


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God listens and he will give you what you want he says his words does not come backb to him void.

Once again, how come your god cannot demonstrate itself to use skeptics? All we need is evidence, and it's evidence that you refuse to produce. It's evidence that, if your god existed, would be more than within it's power to produce. That fact that you cannot, and that your god either cannot or refuses to, gives no credence to your position. A god that cared about truth would want such evidence made readily available, right? How come your god makes you look like such a fool? How come your god doesn't just swoop down and prove us wrong? It would lose nothing to do so, it would cost a god nothing for such evidence. Does your god like making you look like an incoherent babbling idiot? Cause that god sounds like a dick.

Good thing for you it simply doesn't exist outside of your imagination. You have a really sadistic imagination though. Good luck with that.


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I never heard of anybody having unaswered prayers I've seen it cancer gone aids gone white blood cell count down.

No, you haven't.

You have not seen a certifiable cancer patient or aids patient healed through prayer. You've had stories passed to you from other people, who cannot verify the source or the validity of those stories. The details are either omitted, or indeed fabricated.

Did you fact check the story when it was fed to you? Did you follow up with the supposedly cured people? Did you even have a name to follow up with? A university or hospital to clarify the facts with? Did the person who told you the story also supply peer-reviewed research papers that backed up their story? The names of qualified experts in the field attacked to the occurrences that you could talk to to corroborate the story with?

No, of course you didn't. Because you're a simple little sheep that was more than happy to be spoon fed an answer that confirmed your beliefs rather than challenging them.


(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God has shown himself to all people at times the caananites heard and saw what god did for the jews everybody did but its like god says you don't deserve it if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil.

'Everyone who disagrees with us is evil', what a convenient edict to have inside a proselytizing religion.

You are a fool of a child.

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13-11-2016, 04:33 AM
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Man, I'm still grinding my teeth over the prayer-cures-HIV claim.

I lost a good friend from my youth to that fucking disease in the mid-late 90s. I was in college, at the time, and I changed my major from engineering to biochemistry specifically to study viral genetics in order to search for a cure to the disease and save others from his fate.

Literally, the reason I got into science was because of HIV. I have kept up on the literature, and watched careful scientific study turn a fatal terror into a banal annoyance, where the main threat they face now is prejudice and socially-imposed shame (largely due to Christian fear/oppression of human sexuality and the myth that it's a homosexuality issue). We've learned so much about genetics and human diseases from this research, and a host of other cures will have HIV research to thank for their arrival.

The closest I've come to beating a person into the hospital was at an AIDS March in 2004, when some asshole showed up at the park where we all gathered after the march, and started handing out literature that suggested prayer could cure HIV and that told AIDS patients to stop taking their HIV-suppressing meds because they were "poison" (it literally said that the AIDS symptoms were caused by the medicines, and not the virus... somehow ignoring that people died of AIDS long before we had any medicines at all). I got so hostile with that guy that they had to physically restrain me until he ran, scared. I have never been so angry in all the rest of my life. Having stupid beliefs about HIV/AIDS is bad enough... but when you start trying to convince patients to stop taking their meds, I have to assume that it's more than ignorance, that you're doing it on purpose to try to get them to just die off, and it makes me angry beyond any other injustice... which, if you read my writing, here, really says something about just how big a deal it is to me.

People who deny evolution are annoying-- but the ones who really piss me off are the ones who suggest I only "believe" in evolution because I "want it to be true".

The reason it pisses me off is because evolution is literally the reason we can treat, but not cure, HIV and similar diseases. If evolution was false, we'd have been able to stop this disease years ago-- and my friend David would still be alive.

So to all who say that: fuck you. Fuck. You.

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13-11-2016, 04:40 AM
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Rocket. This poster is a minor mind. Offer him some cheese.

If prayer worked there'd be no hospitals.

He's a dumb shit.

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13-11-2016, 05:52 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
No I went to catholic high school regular college. No sign will be given becuase your adulterous but jesus went to paul an unbeliever at the time. Jesus came to me in a dream telling me that I'm the holy spirit aka metatron aka enoch. Also I had jeremiah one playing in my head one morning before I ever read it. Saw an angel one night wave at me and have seen my future becuase when different things happen I can tell that I saw that in my dream. Aids is with gays like god said its unnatural but I don't judge gays becuase mabe they are attracted to the same sex but they already have an women why need more. Mabe read the kabbalah might turn on some genes. Could insects have the same genes.
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13-11-2016, 06:04 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Evolution is only a theory. And the caananites knew god as the bible says but didn't want to follow and continue sacrificing children but the jews didn't mess with anybody else. Does meditation work since prayer could be seen as meditation and faith.
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13-11-2016, 06:13 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 05:52 AM)socialistview Wrote:  No I went to catholic high school regular college. No sign will be given becuase your adulterous but jesus went to paul an unbeliever at the time. Jesus came to me in a dream telling me that I'm the holy spirit aka metatron aka enoch. Also I had jeremiah one playing in my head one morning before I ever read it. Saw an angel one night wave at me and have seen my future becuase when different things happen I can tell that I saw that in my dream. Aids is with gays like god said its unnatural but I don't judge gays becuase mabe they are attracted to the same sex but they already have an women why need more. Mabe read the kabbalah might turn on some genes. Could insects have the same genes.

Anyone who claims to be the holy spirit is either a troll or seriously mentally ill or both.
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13-11-2016, 06:26 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 03:09 AM)socialistview Wrote:  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVnsCRK_qA
So were all from the same earth so were predisposed to have all of the same type of amino acids as any other animal since we all come from the same earth. And so god turned on genes to make us in his image. Why hasn't an experiement been done for that. Thats lack on your part being lazy not to do it I would if I had the means. I have witnesses you can ask I had my theology teacher tell me something was telling him to tell me that god wss pleased with me. Had prophysies that I'm suppose to be a great prophet and the worlds suppose to know me. God listens and he will give you what you want he says his words does not come backb to him void. I never heard of anybody having unaswered prayers I've seen it cancer gone aids gone white blood cell count down. God has shown himself to all people at times the caananites heard and saw what god did for the jews everybody did but its like god says you don't deserve it if your not a believer becuase your wanting to be evil.

If god answers all prayers then pray for correct sentence structure and spelling. Or is that beyond his power? Demonstrate this for me and I might consider it a miracle.
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13-11-2016, 06:28 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 06:04 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Evolution is only a theory.

WHY DO YOU FUCKING PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THIS!?


I'm not asking rhetorically... I really want to know why it's always something you people throw out there, like it means something.

I mean, I know why you say it: you don't understand what "theory" means, when used in science, and you confuse it with the common-language use, where the word means "hunch" or "guess".

But surely you've said it to someone before, and that someone patiently explained to you that it doesn't mean what you think it means, but is actually the highest praise that science can pay to an idea, higher than even "law", which most people think is higher than theory in science ... so my real question, I guess, is why do you keep using it wrong?

Do you not realize how dumb it makes you sound, to people who actually know what the word means in scientific terms?

You know what else is "only a theory"?

The Theory of Gravity (technically, the Theory of Quantum Gravitation)

Germ Theory (it beat out the old theory of "invisible demons cause disease")

Atomic Theory (nobody tell Hiroshima that it's "just a theory"!!)

The Theory of Relativity

And about a hundred more theories that are the entire foundation of our thinking on those subjects, and the basis for all the advancements made in those fields.

Note the first two sentences in that entry on what a theory is:

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

(Bold emphasis mine.)

So can you grasp why it makes you look so dumb when you combine the term "just" with "a theory"?

It's like saying "He's just a Nobel Prize winner" or "She's just a gold medal winner at the Olympics."

And yet, somehow, people who have been fooled by Creationists always use the phrase "just a theory", like they have some deep-seated need to be recognized as ignorant (not an insult... literally ignorant, as in "completely un-knowledgeable about a subject") by everyone they speak to on the subject.

Stop doing it. Seriously. Whatever else you think/say/do... that's one that's as stupid as trying to claim China is a country in Antarctica, and it makes people who know what the hell they're talking about look at you like you just claimed it was.

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13-11-2016, 06:30 AM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 05:52 AM)socialistview Wrote:  No I went to catholic high school regular college. No sign will be given becuase your adulterous but jesus went to paul an unbeliever at the time. Jesus came to me in a dream telling me that I'm the holy spirit aka metatron aka enoch. Also I had jeremiah one playing in my head one morning before I ever read it. Saw an angel one night wave at me and have seen my future becuase when different things happen I can tell that I saw that in my dream. Aids is with gays like god said its unnatural but I don't judge gays becuase mabe they are attracted to the same sex but they already have an women why need more. Mabe read the kabbalah might turn on some genes. Could insects have the same genes.

You're Metatron, an archangel from Judaism. Facepalm

Ok kid, you need to seek psychiatric help, at the very least, could you go to your pastor at church and discuss this with him. I will make a very generous assumption about your pastor and presume his grasp on reality is better than yours and he can direct you to the appropriate people to get you the help you need.

Are you on any medication to treat your mental issues? It may have to have the dosage readjusted or you may need a different medication, you really need to get help, at this point I'm afraid you could be a danger to yourself or to others around you.

You need to get out of this mental world you've created long enough to get help from an outside source, someone that's not part of this mental world of yours that knows how to negotiate the real world.

You need help, you do not need to be on a forum with people insulting you.

At this point, that's all you are going to get here, though I would introduce pity into the equation as well.

You need to seek help! Please do this if there is any sanity left inside of your mind, get the help that you need!

Seek out your pastor and/or someone you trust and listen to them, they may be able to guide you out of this.

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13-11-2016, 06:32 AM (This post was last modified: 13-11-2016 12:21 PM by Chas.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(13-11-2016 06:04 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Evolution is only a theory.

Gravity is only a theory. I suggest you leap from a tall building and pray for a soft landing.

Go ahead - get back to us with a video if it.

Quote:And the caananites knew god as the bible says but didn't want to follow and continue sacrificing children but the jews didn't mess with anybody else. Does meditation work since prayer could be seen as meditation and faith.

Your bad grammar, atrocious spelling, and lack of rational composition of ideas make your posts barely readable.
I doubt you went to a Catholic high school - even they do a better job than that.

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