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14-11-2016, 05:47 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(14-11-2016 05:24 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  This kid very much reminds me of the girl described in the lyric poem "Storm", by Tim Minchin:

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To gild refined gold, to paint the lily, to throw perfume on the violet.... is just fucking silly. Or something like that.
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14-11-2016, 07:48 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
Now evil snd suffering is there to make us grow. Its says bless is the man who is desipline by god so then that means gods cslling you his own. If you don't suffer than your not of god. You know they say were 98% close to apes but praying mantis are that similar aswell and they forget to tell you that thats a big difference that can be detrimental to our existance. Now the gene sequence have you checked if sny other animal has the same gene sequence
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14-11-2016, 08:07 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(14-11-2016 07:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Now evil snd suffering is there to make us grow. Its says bless is the man who is desipline by god so then that means gods cslling you his own. If you don't suffer than your not of god. You know they say were 98% close to apes but praying mantis are that similar aswell and they forget to tell you that thats a big difference that can be detrimental to our existance. Now the gene sequence have you checked if sny other animal has the same gene sequence

Megatron's lying again, if only Optimus Prime would save us from your stupidity.

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14-11-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(14-11-2016 07:48 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Now evil snd suffering is there to make us grow. Its says bless is the man who is desipline by god so then that means gods cslling you his own. If you don't suffer than your not of god. You know they say were 98% close to apes but praying mantis are that similar aswell and they forget to tell you that thats a big difference that can be detrimental to our existance. Now the gene sequence have you checked if sny other animal has the same gene sequence

You still haven't addressed what I said.

Also, can you rephrase any of this as English?

I explained why we're genetically similar to all other complex animal life, from insects to bats, to but most similar to our closest cousins, the chimpanzees. What part of what I explained to you did you not understand?

Yes. We have sequenced many, many, many animals to compare genetic sequences. My wife (who is, you will recall, a devout Christian - indeed, she teaches Sunday School) works in a genetics lab with the DNA of C. elegans, a type of roundworm, which shares the same sort of active gene for aging that we have, except it's turned off (slightly damaged) in humans and is intact in the roundworms... so it can be switched off and on, instantly doubling the lifespan of those creatures. They're looking into whether or not humans may be able to live twice as long, within the next century or so-- lots of other potential side effects they will have to ensure do not occur before it could come anywhere near human testing.

But again, none of that has anything to do with what I wrote, before, about inactive sequences copied intact from generation to generation, which allow us to trace lineages. You're still dodging.

We understand DNA sequencing very well, in the 30 years since rapid sequencing techniques were developed (also by a Christian biologist, by the way), and that is why the head of the Human Genome Project (also a Christian), Dr. Francis S. Collins, wrote an entire book about why evolution is true and does not conflict with Christianity, other than those types of Christian who think Genesis was written to be a literal science book. You should read it. Honestly.

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So back to my original question. Why do you refuse to accept what Christians who are evolutionary biologists and geneticists are trying to tell you. Why do they agree with me about evolution, if it's not true?

When I tell you that you are saying things that show you do not understand evolution at all, why do you not act like an honest, decent human being and say, "Oh gosh, I should try to correct these errors I am making, or at least learn more to find out if I am wrong like this expert on the subject is telling me I am wrong."

Instead, you're not even reading what I'm writing, because you're so desperate to keep on believing what you already believe.

That's depressingly dishonest. You should be ashamed of yourself.

How do I know you're not even reading what I write before you make your next silly statement about biology?

Because I hid a sentence in the middle of what I wrote, predicting that you wouldn't read what I said. Go back and look.


Shameful.

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14-11-2016, 08:11 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-adam...46334.html
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14-11-2016, 08:22 PM
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Well all come from this earth so we all will have the ssme amino acids snd enzymed that's what I'm ssying. I believe god is everything the tree car you me ape dog so when we look the same its only a reflection of god. And I'm not lying about suffering we suffer becuase it helps us get stronger. And its metatron keeper of the secrets. Makes since enoch would come at the end of the world to help save mankind from being decieved by the antichrist. God always sends a helper.
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14-11-2016, 08:29 PM
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Nice article. You've already moved on to the favorite tactic of Creationists who are losing an argument:

Quote Mining.

Your cited article took several of my favorite biologists out of context, quoting only part of what they said in order to dishonestly make them "say" things they did not say.

I'll use just one, for the sake of brevity: the Gould quote. It's a favorite of Creationists, but it's not at all what Gould was talking about. He was challenging an old canard of evolutionary thought, in the Modern Synthesis (from the 1930s), and replacing it with a better model. He was in no way casting doubt upon the fact of evolution or that it happens by Natural Selection, only that the old model did not take every aspect into account... he then proposed a better, more inclusive model. That's what science does.

What you quoted was written by Gould (still considered one of the biggest names in evolutionary biology) back in 1980, when he was proposing a new idea, now widely accepted, called Punctuated Equilibria, which said that evolution was not a gradual, steady-state process from simple to complex, but actually operates in "bursts" of rapid evolution when the environment was radically altered (such as by a mass extinction, or a founder event-- a population moving into an new area where they have no predators, for instance, like an island). He successfully showed, following his original 1972 paper on the subject, that the norm is "stasis", or little evolutionary change when a population is undisturbed, followed by relatively rapid (still way longer than several centuries) evolution when that stasis is disturbed. He was successful in demonstrating his case, and it has been added to the body of evolutionary thought.

It's astoundingly dishonest to pretend Gould was saying anything other than that. Both you and Rabbi Jacobs should be ashamed of yourselves for citing to it in such a dishonest way.

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14-11-2016, 08:29 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(14-11-2016 08:22 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well all come from this earth so we all will have the ssme amino acids snd enzymed that's what I'm ssying. I believe god is everything the tree car you me ape dog so when we look the same its only a reflection of god. And I'm not lying about suffering we suffer becuase it helps us get stronger. And its metatron keeper of the secrets. Makes since enoch would come at the end of the world to help save mankind from being decieved by the antichrist. God always sends a helper.

I guess this model of Megatron doesn't have a language interpretation module, because you completely ignore posts and rattle off one inanity after another.

Perhaps you've been punched in the head by Optimus Prime too many times?

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14-11-2016, 08:30 PM (This post was last modified: 14-11-2016 08:34 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(14-11-2016 08:22 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well all come from this earth so we all will have the ssme amino acids snd enzymed that's what I'm ssying.

I understand that's what you're saying. So now understand what I'm saying:

THAT HAS NOT ONE FUCKING THING TO DO WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND IS NOT AN ANSWER TO THE POINTS I AM RAISING.

A reminder: Lying for Jesus™ is still lying.

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14-11-2016, 08:47 PM
RE: Everybodies wrong.
(14-11-2016 08:22 PM)socialistview Wrote:  we suffer becuase it helps us get stronger.

I think you have that backwards. We sometimes get stronger because of suffering, but suffering in itself has no purpose. Pain is just pain, although some people can make use of it.

And then there are the many people who do not get stronger, but instead are badly hurt or even destroyed by a painful experience. It's cruel and insulting to imply that they failed a test by not overcoming their suffering.
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