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17-02-2012, 05:22 PM
Everyone is equal?
Enspired by the thing going on from about page 76 to around the 80s in "Ask a theist".

I am not going to rant around here but I want to keep discussing the matter that was too OT there. Hope it fits in this category.

So there are different things that have been addressed, that I want to talk about.

equal treatment
I have the illusion that we are equal in this world, therefore in this forum we are, too. Noone is better or less than anyone. If I disapprove with someone's opinion I will make that clear because this is a forum and a forum is there to discuss things. I do not care how old, wise, religous someone is, what color his skin, or lenght his nose has. What matters is what is being said. Same works the other way around, I can take it when someone does that with me and my opinion. Only that way I can learn, right?

taking things personal
Things being said should not been taken personal. If I say "God is cruel" it does not mean "you are stupid for liking him" even though you (generally speaking) may get the feeling from it. Again, this is a forum, the voice does not come with the words here. Some things get across the wrong way because we lose some of the communication on the way. All we have here is words, sometimes a smily or a gif.

rudeness
Rude means that someone does not care about anyones feelings, insights, whatevers. It means that that because I don't care, I will simply overule any social "rules" and norms. I will say things without considering anything else but my opinion and what I think I know.
I don't think that this is what is happening in this forum. At least not a lot. We have our specialists here who do that, but they are a minority.
We do have some rough discussions from time to time, after all we are only humans, right? But a rought discussion is not the same as being rude.

rules
Rules, no matter what, are put in place by administrators and enforced by administrators and moderators. Other rules do not apply unless people want to. Not acting according to such additional rules should not end up in a discussion how easy it would be to just follow them. If I'd follow every rule someone thinks should be put in place I would be a sheep. No thanks, I like to think for myself.
Rules indicating how and when and why I will or won't react to a certain kind of post are useless, you do not have to state reasons, this is a forum, so again, if you don't want to answer something, just don't do it.

And there we go. These were major reasons to get all heated up?

To start assuming things and put words in other people's mouths.


Now one more thing, this is for lucradis:
Lucradis, I am sorry you got annoyed over there in the other thread. For the question you asked I found most of the reasons that people put out there pretty valid. I would have even more reasons and explanations for the behavious that you are questioning right now, but I do not want to end up like the black sheep, saying it all. You think anyone else wants to? At least openly in a thread I think you won't get complete and honest answers to that question.



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17-02-2012, 06:32 PM (This post was last modified: 17-02-2012 06:33 PM by morondog.)
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(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  Thanks for the attention

I have attended.

... I don't get most of what you're saying tbh.

Leela you're pretty cool... can we just let this slide? It's not like KC's got an agenda - he's just another guy on the forum. I'm reasonably certain that no one's really got a problem with the rules in his thread - they're not in any way an attempt to muzzle your right to say what the hell you like.

But this *bloody* discussion just goes round and round and becomes pretty damn childish. And I know you're just longing to slap me now so I promise I'll hit myself in the face after posting this. I really will.
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17-02-2012, 06:43 PM
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I've always been the kid that's left out. I've apparently missed something juicy. But I guess I haven't missed it enough to go figure out what you're referring to. But I did pay attention to you. Smile

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17-02-2012, 08:08 PM
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(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  equal treatment
I have the illusion that we are equal in this world, therefore in this forum we are, too. Noone is better or less than anyone. If I disapprove with someone's opinion I will make that clear because this is a forum and a forum is there to discuss things. I do not care how old, wise, religous someone is, what color his skin, or length his nose has. What matters is what is being said. Same works the other way around, I can take it when someone does that with me and my opinion. Only that way I can learn, right?
It is an illusion... I am better than you 'cos I have a bigger nose!

In the words of Orwell "everyone is equal but some are more equal than others".

(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  taking things personally
Things being said should not been taken personally. If I say "God is cruel" it does not mean "you are stupid for liking him" even though you (generally speaking) may get the feeling from it. Again, this is a forum, the voice does not come with the words here. Some things get across the wrong way because we lose some of the communication on the way. All we have here is words, sometimes a smily or a gif.
Yup, don't take it personally, it's just a fact that I am better than you

(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  rudeness
Rude means that someone does not care about anyones feelings, insights, whatevers. It means that that because I don't care, I will simply overule any social "rules" and norms. I will say things without considering anything else but my opinion and what I think I know.
I don't think that this is what is happening in this forum. At least not a lot. We have our specialists here who do that, but they are a minority.
We do have some rough discussions from time to time, after all we are only humans, right? But a rought discussion is not the same as being rude.
not all human... some of us are gods!
(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  rules
Rules, no matter what, are put in place by administrators and enforced by administrators and moderators. Other rules do not apply unless people want to. Not acting according to such additional rules should not end up in a discussion how easy it would be to just follow them. If I'd follow every rule someone thinks should be put in place I would be a sheep. No thanks, I like to think for myself.
Rules indicating how and when and why I will or won't react to a certain kind of post are useless, you do not have to state reasons, this is a forum, so again, if you don't want to answer something, just don't do it.

Does this mean that Moses was the first Mod?
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17-02-2012, 10:18 PM
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I'm new in here and have no idea on what's going on (perhaps it'd be wiser to take my time to read through all the stuff before posting my opnion and risk saying bs but it's 2am in here and my judgment is impaired at this time (that's a cheap excuse actually but what's the worse that could happen anyway?)). What I'm going to say is obviously my personal opnion, read at your own discretion.

People are inherently different from one another but that doesn't means they should be treated differently. I just think that if someone (anyone for that matter) is answering questions out of his own desire without any obligations whatsoever to do so, then he has all rights to stop answering if he feels offended or something like that. It's not anyone's duty to answer anyone in here anyway. If you don't feel like following his "rules" then please don't do so but he might as well feel inclined not to answer.

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17-02-2012, 10:23 PM
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Ugh. That is all.

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18-02-2012, 02:53 AM (This post was last modified: 18-02-2012 03:00 AM by GirlyMan.)
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(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  Thanks for the attention

Hug? ... Big hug? ... Group hug? Well at least I can send a hug out to you and Malleus.

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18-02-2012, 02:59 AM
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(18-02-2012 02:53 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  Thanks for the attention

Hug? ... Big hug? ... Group hug?

clusterfuck?
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18-02-2012, 03:06 AM (This post was last modified: 18-02-2012 03:17 AM by GirlyMan.)
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(18-02-2012 02:59 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(18-02-2012 02:53 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(17-02-2012 05:22 PM)Leela Wrote:  Thanks for the attention

Hug? ... Big hug? ... Group hug?

clusterfuck?

Yeah, that usually somehow works out, much to our surprise.. Wink

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18-02-2012, 03:40 AM
RE: Everyone is equal?
Ok, sorry for the quick and short reply before. Didn't have a lot of time, but now I can't sleep so figure I might as well go more in depth on Ugh.

Equality:
I would adore it it everyone treated everyone equally on this forum. They don't and they won't. Besides being equal doesn't mean you can disregard someones feelings and treat them without any respect. Sharing your thoughts on any particular subject is fine and dandy. Not sure how that was stifled.

Taking things personally:
I agree. Most of the time comments aren't meant to be personal. And no, sarcasm does not come across. Humor is often misunderstood. That is where clarity is key.
But that is not a license to say whatever comes to mind in the hopes no one will be offended. Not only that but sometimes things are said that should be taken personally.

Rudeness::
Your idea of being rude and someone else's may not jive. And just because a small minority do it does not mean it should be ignored. That being said rudeness isn't illegal, nor is it against any forum rules. no punishments have been doled out nor will be at any given time based off of rudeness. But me and the mods can share our personal opinions just like you guys and it often won't coincide with yours or each others.

Rules:

This one bugs me. The rules that you are indicating, the ones placed by KC at the beginning of HIS thread, are there for a reason. It is his thread. Directed at him. his rules are acting essentially as guidelines to the game he is playing. Just because you don't follow them doesn't mean that anything is going to happen to you. it just means he isn't likely to answer you, or if he does the answer might not be one you like because it follows his rules set. I really think you are over estimating the power of his "rules". I think they are great and if people would actually read them before posting, would cut down on some of the questions.
You are correct in saying that only the forum admin and moderators can create the real rules.

as for getting heated up... I didn't think anyone was getting that heated up. Till I read this thread. I just wanted to understand the mindset of everyone. How some things are only acceptable some of the time. And to say my piece. Unless I'm not allowed?

I got annoyed because I don't think you read any of my posts before responding to them. It's ok if I get annoyed. It happens all the time. It's kind of annoying. But I get over it pretty quick. As for the answers I got to the questions i asked, I didn't find them all that satisfying. They didn't seem like anything more than rationalizations to me. But that's ok because I was just curios.

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