Everything Used To Be So Black And White
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15-10-2014, 08:47 AM (This post was last modified: 15-10-2014 08:50 AM by DLJ.)
Everything Used To Be So Black And White
Here is a delightful debate from the last century, back when people used to believe in god(s).

So quaint.

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15-10-2014, 11:19 AM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
(15-10-2014 08:47 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Here is a delightful debate from the last century, back when people used to believe in god(s).

So quaint.

Smile




Why is that old dude from The Strain one of the debaters? Smile

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15-10-2014, 12:45 PM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
(15-10-2014 08:47 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Here is a delightful debate from the last century, back when people used to believe in god(s).

So quaint.

Smile




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15-10-2014, 12:53 PM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
Thank you, DLJ. That was a breath of fresh air!
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15-10-2014, 01:12 PM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
(15-10-2014 08:47 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Here is a delightful debate from the last century, back when people used to believe in god(s).

So quaint.

Smile

That was recorded 56 years ago and the argument hasn't changed in any significant way. That's depressing.
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15-10-2014, 07:34 PM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
(15-10-2014 01:12 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(15-10-2014 08:47 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Here is a delightful debate from the last century, back when people used to believe in god(s).

So quaint.

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That was recorded 56 years ago and the argument hasn't changed in any significant way. That's depressing.
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No, that's religion

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16-10-2014, 05:42 AM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
Russell seemed a bit evasive throughout this, perhaps even on the back foot. I think he eventually covers some of the relevant ground but misses at least one basic point: Why say "necessary being" when you mean "necessary phenomena"?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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16-10-2014, 06:33 AM
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(16-10-2014 05:42 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  Russell seemed a bit evasive throughout this, perhaps even on the back foot. I think he eventually covers some of the relevant ground but misses at least one basic point: Why say "necessary being" when you mean "necessary phenomena"?

That's the main difference I see between the arguments then and now. Now I hear "necessary fact" and "contingent fact" and then when they think they've demonstrated a single original "necessary fact" they make the jump to "necessary being" and then skip right on over to "must be yahweh". Apart from that it is now "universe" instead of "world".

It all misses the fact that they are extrapolating what necessary and contingent mean inside the universe now to conditions outside/before our universe. It sounds good on the surface but it is just smoke and mirrors to hide ignorance.

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16-10-2014, 07:35 AM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
simplified version
everything has a cause
I can't think of any other cause for it other than god therefore god exists

garnished with special pleading of god cannot have a causation in order to exist


did I sum it up right ?
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16-10-2014, 04:35 PM
RE: Everything Used To Be So Black And White
Bertie sort of played the too hard card while the Rev simply rambled.
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