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22-08-2015, 12:12 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 11:13 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  ... if one accepts that knowledge = JTB, ...

And as you know I don't. And I have good reasons to believe that.

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22-08-2015, 12:59 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 12:12 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:13 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  ... if one accepts that knowledge = JTB, ...

And as you know I don't. And I have good reasons to believe that.

I know, I didn't mean to exclude you.Smile I just can't come up with anything better than JTB.Big Grin
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22-08-2015, 01:05 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 11:13 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 10:38 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I'm sure you know the definition of knowledge that oft used in fillysofical circles i.e. Knowledge is a justified true belief (excluding the usual solipsistic stuff).

I other words, one can believe many things but only a subset of those beliefs fit the definition above.

I don't think you are unique in wanting both sets (belief and knowledge) to be congruent:
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I guess I would go further in that I expect all reasonable people to want that congruency, because, as I've pointed out before, if one accepts that knowledge = JTB, and this person also has beliefs they don't consider knowledge, then it follows that they must not think their belief is justified. When a reasonable person realizes he has a belief that is not justified, he discards the fuck out of that thing!

Realizing a belief is not justified, but holding it anyways in not reasonable.

"Justified" is not binary; it is not a dichotomy. Justification is a continuum.

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22-08-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 01:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 11:13 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  I guess I would go further in that I expect all reasonable people to want that congruency, because, as I've pointed out before, if one accepts that knowledge = JTB, and this person also has beliefs they don't consider knowledge, then it follows that they must not think their belief is justified. When a reasonable person realizes he has a belief that is not justified, he discards the fuck out of that thing!

Realizing a belief is not justified, but holding it anyways in not reasonable.

"Justified" is not binary; it is not a dichotomy. Justification is a continuum.

Sometimes you just gotta have faith, right? Confused
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22-08-2015, 01:22 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 01:08 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  ...
Sometimes you just gotta have faith, right? Confused

I got this one, Girly.




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22-08-2015, 01:30 PM
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I lol'd.

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22-08-2015, 01:55 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 12:59 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 12:12 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And as you know I don't. And I have good reasons to believe that.

I know, I didn't mean to exclude you.Smile I just can't come up with anything better than JTB.Big Grin

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22-08-2015, 02:06 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 01:55 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 12:59 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  I know, I didn't mean to exclude you.Smile I just can't come up with anything better than JTB.Big Grin

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I just can't get my head around someone knowing something without believing it to be true.
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22-08-2015, 02:10 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 01:08 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 01:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  "Justified" is not binary; it is not a dichotomy. Justification is a continuum.

Sometimes you just gotta have faith, right? Confused

No. You always need evidence if you want to be non-zero on the scale. Drinking Beverage

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22-08-2015, 02:15 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(22-08-2015 02:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 01:08 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  Sometimes you just gotta have faith, right? Confused

No. You always need evidence if you want to be non-zero on the scale. Drinking Beverage

Sure, but making a conclusion without conclusive evidence would require faith, right?
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