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27-08-2015, 03:56 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(27-08-2015 03:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 11:41 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Sure. To quote TBD:

There can be no evidence against the existence of something that doesn't exist.

Untrue. Proof of impossibility of its existence, if that proof exists, is that evidence.

And that's why we call it "proving a negative."

But also ...

impossible

adjective

1. not possible; unable to be, exist, happen, etc.

The proof of the inability of something to exist is achieved when the Evidence of Absence demonstrates that there is no capability of existence, and no capability of the possibility of existence. This is demonstrable evidence.

Demonstrable evidence, is evidence.

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27-08-2015, 03:58 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(27-08-2015 03:53 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 03:47 PM)Free Wrote:  Here's the big question in response:

Why?

Why what? Why be open to new evidence? Ask Professor Dawkins why he is not a 7.

A skeptic is open to new evidence (as if there was ever any old evidence).

And we are indeed open to new evidence (as if there was ever any old evidence)

Is there any? No?

If until that ever happens I am a 7.0, and rightfully so.

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27-08-2015, 04:01 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(27-08-2015 03:58 PM)Free Wrote:  And we are indeed open to new evidence.

Is there any? No?

If until that ever happens I am a 7.0, and rightfully so.

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27-08-2015, 04:02 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(27-08-2015 03:56 PM)Free Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 03:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  Untrue. Proof of impossibility of its existence, if that proof exists, is that evidence.

And that's why we call it "proving a negative."

But also ...

impossible

adjective

1. not possible; unable to be, exist, happen, etc.

The proof of the inability of something to exist is achieved when the Evidence of Absence demonstrates that there is no capability of existence, and no capability of the possibility of existence. This is demonstrable evidence.

Not necessarily. The absence of evidence only proves non-existence if it is the absence of evidence that must be there.

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27-08-2015, 04:04 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(27-08-2015 04:02 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 03:56 PM)Free Wrote:  And that's why we call it "proving a negative."

But also ...

impossible

adjective

1. not possible; unable to be, exist, happen, etc.

The proof of the inability of something to exist is achieved when the Evidence of Absence demonstrates that there is no capability of existence, and no capability of the possibility of existence. This is demonstrable evidence.

Not necessarily. The absence of evidence only proves non-existence if it is the absence of evidence that must be there.

And it is. God must be there, or the possibility of God must be there. Neither are present.

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27-08-2015, 04:05 PM
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(27-08-2015 04:04 PM)Free Wrote:  Neither are present.

As far as you know... Fuck, dude, just accept your shitty 6.9 Angry

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27-08-2015, 04:08 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(27-08-2015 04:04 PM)Free Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 04:02 PM)Chas Wrote:  Not necessarily. The absence of evidence only proves non-existence if it is the absence of evidence that must be there.

And it is. God must be there, or the possibility of God must be there. Neither are present.

You have not proved that no gods are possible. Absence of evidence is insufficient.

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27-08-2015, 04:17 PM
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(27-08-2015 04:05 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 04:04 PM)Free Wrote:  Neither are present.

As far as you know... Fuck, dude, just accept your shitty 6.9 Angry

That implies that there is possibly something we don't know.

As far as we ALL know, and that is the current state of our knowledge. Since when are we obligated to base our assessment of something we don't know, when the reality is that there is no evidence that there is something we don't know?

I am a solid 7.0 because it's the intellectually honest position to hold. I don't base my position on the unproven possibility that there just might be something we don't know, when you don't even have any evidence to support such a possibility.

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27-08-2015, 04:19 PM
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(27-08-2015 04:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 04:04 PM)Free Wrote:  And it is. God must be there, or the possibility of God must be there. Neither are present.

You have not proved that no gods are possible. Absence of evidence is insufficient.

I have used demonstrable evidence as a means of countering your assertion that we must somehow prove a negative.

Not only is your position fallacious, but it also has demonstrable evidence against it.

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27-08-2015, 04:26 PM
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(27-08-2015 04:19 PM)Free Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 04:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  You have not proved that no gods are possible. Absence of evidence is insufficient.

I have used demonstrable evidence as a means of countering your assertion that we must somehow prove a negative.

I have never asserted we must prove a negative.

Besides, "You can't prove a negative" is fallacious.

Quote:Not only is your position fallacious, but it also has demonstrable evidence against it.

There is no evidence against it; it is logically sound.

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