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23-08-2015, 11:06 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 11:01 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 10:58 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  The only logical conclusion is they don't exist until evidence of their existence is presented (alien life is plausible, gods are not). I have fucking said that multiple times.

I am still amazed by what you said in this post. "If you think this, then you have zero understanding of logic and the scientific method."

Where you imply you know more about science and the scientific method than a scientist. Kind of arrogant, no?

In one breath you say that aliens are plausible, and in another you say that you have concluded that aliens don't exist.

Yes, I know much more about the scientific method than you because you can't tell the difference between absence of evidence and evidence of absence. This is a fundamental mistake in critical reasoning.

"Yes, I know much more about the scientific method than you because you can't tell the difference between absence of evidence and evidence of absence. This is a fundamental mistake in critical reasoning."

Dunning-Krugger.

Jesus tap dancing christ, the ignorant arrogance is astounding. Facepalm

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23-08-2015, 11:10 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 11:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 11:01 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  In one breath you say that aliens are plausible, and in another you say that you have concluded that aliens don't exist.

Yes, I know much more about the scientific method than you because you can't tell the difference between absence of evidence and evidence of absence. This is a fundamental mistake in critical reasoning.

Holy hell, you don't know what the word "plausible" means. 0_o

I know that when we make a conclusion, we don't continue to consider the alternative hypotheses to be plausible. At best we say that is implausible that our conclusion is wrong, or else we wouldn't have made such a conclusion.

The point is, you don't have enough evidence to make a conclusion. You have absence of evidence because you haven't detected aliens and you also haven't looked in all the places they could be. Any halfway decent scientist wouldn't draw a conclusion with absence of evidence, and rather than concluding that aliens don't exist, most scientists actually hypothesize the opposite, that there is alien life.
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23-08-2015, 11:11 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 11:10 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 11:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Holy hell, you don't know what the word "plausible" means. 0_o

I know that when we make a conclusion, we don't continue to consider the alternative hypotheses to be plausible. At best we say that is implausible that our conclusion is wrong, or else we wouldn't have made such a conclusion.

The point is, you don't have enough evidence to make a conclusion. You have absence of evidence because you haven't detected aliens and you also haven't looked in all the places they could be. Any halfway decent scientist wouldn't draw a conclusion with absence of evidence, and rather than concluding that aliens don't exist, most scientists actually hypothesize the opposite, that there is alien life.

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You really don't understand anything abbot how conclusions are drawn in science or what the difference between a hypothesis and a conclusion is or what the word "plausible" means. You don't fucking get any of it.

AND YOU STILL ASSUME YOU KNOW MORE THAN ME ABOUT SCIENCE AND THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A FUCKING CAREER. If I ever need advice on how to flip a cheeseburger, I'll consult you Drinking Beverage

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23-08-2015, 11:11 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 11:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 11:01 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  In one breath you say that aliens are plausible, and in another you say that you have concluded that aliens don't exist.

Yes, I know much more about the scientific method than you because you can't tell the difference between absence of evidence and evidence of absence. This is a fundamental mistake in critical reasoning.

Holy hell, you don't know what the word "plausible" means. 0_o

plau·si·ble
ˈplôzəb(ə)l/
adjective
(of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or probable.

Example: Life exists on Earth, so it is reasonable or probable that life could exist elsewhere in the universe. But no evidence of this yet exists, so it would be illogical to conclude that life does exist elsewhere, which is why we continue to look for life elsewhere. Perhaps one day evidence will allow us to draw a different conclusion.

Yeah, but you concluded that aliens don't exist. Little bit different there bud...
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23-08-2015, 11:14 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 11:11 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 11:02 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Holy hell, you don't know what the word "plausible" means. 0_o

plau·si·ble
ˈplôzəb(ə)l/
adjective
(of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or probable.

Example: Life exists on Earth, so it is reasonable or probable that life could exist elsewhere in the universe. But no evidence of this yet exists, so it would be illogical to conclude that life does exist elsewhere, which is why we continue to look for life elsewhere. Perhaps one day evidence will allow us to draw a different conclusion.

Yeah, but you concluded that aliens don't exist. Little bit different there bud...

Yeah, based on the current paucity of evidence demonstrating positive proof of life existing anywhere other than Earth, all we can conclude is that aliens don't exist elsewhere. But life is PLAUSIBLE to exist, so we can hypothesize it should exist somewhere else, so we continue to test that hypothesis. But without evidence demonstrating that life does exist elsewhere, we can't conclude it actually does (even though it is plausible).

God dammit. It is like arguing with a fucking creationist.

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23-08-2015, 11:16 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
Still haven't seen any of those apologies you promised to give for being a dishonest dick. Drinking Beverage

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23-08-2015, 11:17 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 11:14 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 11:11 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  Yeah, but you concluded that aliens don't exist. Little bit different there bud...

Yeah, based on the current paucity of evidence demonstrating positive proof of life existing anywhere other than Earth, all we can conclude is that aliens don't exist elsewhere. But life is PLAUSIBLE to exist, so we can hypothesize it should exist somewhere else, so we continue to test that hypothesis. But without evidence demonstrating that life does exist elsewhere, we can't conclude it actually does (even though it is plausible).

God dammit. It is like arguing with a fucking creationist.

Good scientists don't make conclusions without evidence. Again, reasonable people not only wouldn't come to the conclusion that aliens don't exist, but most hypothesize the opposite.
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23-08-2015, 11:18 AM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 11:17 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 11:14 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Yeah, based on the current paucity of evidence demonstrating positive proof of life existing anywhere other than Earth, all we can conclude is that aliens don't exist elsewhere. But life is PLAUSIBLE to exist, so we can hypothesize it should exist somewhere else, so we continue to test that hypothesis. But without evidence demonstrating that life does exist elsewhere, we can't conclude it actually does (even though it is plausible).

God dammit. It is like arguing with a fucking creationist.

Good scientists don't make conclusions without evidence. Again, reasonable people not only wouldn't come to the conclusion that aliens don't exist, but most hypothesize the opposite.

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You wouldn't know a good scientist if he wiped the floor clean with your dumbass on this very forum.

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23-08-2015, 12:02 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
"Alien life, such as microorganisms, has been hypothesized to exist in the Solar System and throughout the universe. This hypothesis relies on the vast size and consistent physical laws of the observable universe. According to this argument, made by scientists such as Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking, it would be improbable for life not to exist somewhere other than Earth."

Sagan and Hawking should have consulted with TBD before making their hypothesis. TBD's conclusion of no aliens makes their hypothesis null.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life
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23-08-2015, 12:15 PM
RE: Evidence Of Absence.
(23-08-2015 12:02 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  "Alien life, such as microorganisms, has been hypothesized to exist in the Solar System and throughout the universe. This hypothesis relies on the vast size and consistent physical laws of the observable universe. According to this argument, made by scientists such as Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking, it would be improbable for life not to exist somewhere other than Earth."

Sagan and Hawking should have consulted with TBD before making their hypothesis. TBD's conclusion of no aliens makes their hypothesis null.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life

So they concluded life does exist, or they hypothesize life is probable?

Your reading comprehension is fucking atrocious.

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