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21-07-2014, 02:27 PM (This post was last modified: 22-07-2014 12:16 AM by BlackMason.)
Evidence? Screw that!
My mom was telling me about how shocked she was that countries like Ukrain and Russia are pretty much without religion. This information was divulged by one of our pastors that went on holiday with his whole family. The trip was sponsored by a wealthy church member. There was a look of worry on my moms face as she told of the horror.

I was happy of course. She was confused though as the sharp light of reality started illuminating her very closed mind. I didn't hesitate to mention examples of other countries that are beyond religion and are prospering.

The look of bewilderment slowly turned to one of utter disbelief."Why does Jesus allow this? It is wrong! Jesus must prosper his own believers" in a tone of protest.

I mentioned that one of the advantages of traveling is broadening one's horizon. It helps one keep an open mind when the ways of life of different people are observed.

So I took this opportunity to tell my mom about weed and how in some states it is legal. I made mension of it's medicinal properties. I think that was a step too far. She sternly disagreed. She told me her uncle smoked weed and went crazy. I asked what was in the weed he smoked and she said, "nothing. It was straight weed."

Research shows that there are no serious side effects when one consumes weed. "Hell no!", says my mom. "Some things don't need research. We know they're bad because they are."

In my disappointment and frustration I asked myself how much of a role religion has on the mentality I had just witnessed. A type of screw the evidence and let's go with emotion.

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8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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21-07-2014, 02:53 PM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
(21-07-2014 02:27 PM)BlackMason Wrote:  My mom was telling me about how shocked she was that countries like Ukrain and Russia are pretty much without religion. This information was divulged by one of our pastors that went on holiday with his whole family. The trip was sponsored by a wealthy church member. There was a look of worry on my moms face as she told of the horror.

I was happy of course. She was confused though as the sharp light of reality started illuminating her very closed mind. I didn't hesitate to mention examples of other countries that are beyond religion and are prospering.

The look of bewilderment slowly turned to one of utter disbelief."Why does Jesus allow this? It is wrong! Jesus must prosper his own believers" in a tone of protest.

I mentioned that one of the advantages of traveling is broadening one's horizon. It helps one keep an open mind when the ways of life of different people are observed.

So I took this opportunity to tell my mom about weed and how in some states it is legal. I made mension of it's medicinal properties. I think that was a step too far. The she sternly disagreed. She told me her uncle smoked weed and went crazy. I asked what was in the weed he smoked and she said nothing. I was straight weed.

Research shows that there are no serious side effects when one consumes weed. "Hell no!", says my mom. "Some things don't need research. We know they're bad because they are."

In my disappointment and frustration I asked myself how much of a role religion has on the mentality I had just witnessed. A type of screw the evidence and let's go with emotion.

I wouldn't say that Russia is pretty much without religion, considering that the largest demographic is Russian Orthodox covering about 41% of the population. Ukraine is definitely non-religious in the majority though.

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21-07-2014, 03:03 PM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
(21-07-2014 02:27 PM)BlackMason Wrote:  My mom was telling me about how shocked she was that countries like Ukrain and Russia are pretty much without religion. This information was divulged by one of our pastors that went on holiday with his whole family. The trip was sponsored by a wealthy church member. There was a look of worry on my moms face as she told of the horror.

I was happy of course. She was confused though as the sharp light of reality started illuminating her very closed mind. I didn't hesitate to mention examples of other countries that are beyond religion and are prospering.

The look of bewilderment slowly turned to one of utter disbelief."Why does Jesus allow this? It is wrong! Jesus must prosper his own believers" in a tone of protest.

I mentioned that one of the advantages of traveling is broadening one's horizon. It helps one keep an open mind when the ways of life of different people are observed.

So I took this opportunity to tell my mom about weed and how in some states it is legal. I made mension of it's medicinal properties. I think that was a step too far. The she sternly disagreed. She told me her uncle smoked weed and went crazy. I asked what was in the weed he smoked and she said nothing. I was straight weed.

Research shows that there are no serious side effects when one consumes weed. "Hell no!", says my mom. "Some things don't need research. We know they're bad because they are."

In my disappointment and frustration I asked myself how much of a role religion has on the mentality I had just witnessed. A type of screw the evidence and let's go with emotion.

A gazillion people across the globe have that type of attitude. Some because of religion, some because of lack of education, some just because they don't like change.

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21-07-2014, 03:10 PM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
If you are one of those who's a wishful thinker then you're pretty susceptible to religion, and likewise religion can induce wishful thinking - feedback loop. Self sustaining.

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21-07-2014, 03:25 PM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
(21-07-2014 02:53 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I wouldn't say that Russia is pretty much without religion, considering that the largest demographic is Russian Orthodox covering about 41% of the population.

Any percentage of religion under 100% is too low! Hobo
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21-07-2014, 03:42 PM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
There is hope.......

Religions are losing members - "The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public – and a third of adults under 30 – are religiously unaffiliated today, the highest percentages ever in Pew Research Center polling. The challenge to Christianity in the U.S. does not come from other religions but rather from a rejection of all forms of organized religion. The “Nones” (no stated religious preference, atheist, or agnostic) continue to grow, from 8.2% in 1990, to 14.1% in 2001, to 15.0% in 2008, to over 21% in 2012. 34% off all US adults under 30 are unaffiliated."

University of Arizona and Northwestern University recent study projects the extinction of religion in Australia, Austria, the Czech Republic, Canada, Finland, Ireland, New Zealand, the Netherlands and Switzerland. They will be entirely comprised of non-believers. The study also found that "Americans without affiliation comprise the only religious group growing in all 50 states." Religions is declining because of the increase in choice, education, information, bad press, the idea that it is useless or counterproductive and the idea that its fundamental principles are illogical."

Is religion dying? By Diana Butler Bass - “In the last dozen years, American religious institutions have undergone a myriad of crises--abuse scandals, conflicts, schism, and partisan political entanglement, to name a few--resulting in a great religious recession. Poll after poll reveals that organized religions --mainline Protestant, evangelical, Roman Catholic, and Jewish --are in varying states of disarray and decline. Sadness, even doom, has gripped many congregations, as the formerly faithful disaffiliate, and those who remain struggle to pay clergy and fix leaky roofs. The unaffiliated and atheists have been rising for thirty years.”

Atheism on the rise around the globe - "According to a new poll, religiosity worldwide is declining while more people say they are atheists. In the United States, a growing number consider themselves non-believers.
Atheism is on the rise in the United States and elsewhere while religiosity is declining, according to a new worldwide poll. “The Global Index of Religiosity and Atheism,” conducted by WIN-Gallup International headquartered in Switzerland, found that the number of Americans who say they are “religious” dropped from 73 percent in 2005 – when the poll was last conducted – to 60 percent. And 33 percent of the people polled said that they don’t consider themselves as a “religious person."

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21-07-2014, 03:44 PM
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(21-07-2014 03:25 PM)CleverUsername Wrote:  
(21-07-2014 02:53 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I wouldn't say that Russia is pretty much without religion, considering that the largest demographic is Russian Orthodox covering about 41% of the population.

Any percentage of religion under 100% is too low! Hobo

Indeed. Otherwise they would be prosecuted.

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22-07-2014, 07:41 AM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
(21-07-2014 02:27 PM)BlackMason Wrote:  The look of bewilderment slowly turned to one of utter disbelief."Why does Jesus allow this? It is wrong! Jesus must prosper his own believers" in a tone of protest.

I would have asked her why she feels this is the case. You might have been close to witnessing a real growth moment, there. I remember having those about five years before I really started doubting.


(21-07-2014 02:27 PM)BlackMason Wrote:  Research shows that there are no serious side effects when one consumes weed. "Hell no!", says my mom. "Some things don't need research. We know they're bad because they are."

...or not, if she's going to go this route. Appeals to common sense or other forms of magically acquired knowledge are typically made in place of not having any evidence or other argument.
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22-07-2014, 07:50 AM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
There is hope for us all! I was checking out the atheist demographic in the UK (35% with 21% not knowing) but then I read about the former East Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany

Quote:Eastern Germany is perhaps the least religious region in the world.[5] [6] Atheism is embraced by young and old, though even more so by younger Germans.[7] One study in September 2012 was unable to find a single person under 28 who believed in a god.[8] The popular explanation for this is the aggressive atheist policies of German Democratic Republic's Socialist Unity Party of Germany. However, the enforcement of atheism only existed for the first few years. After that, the state allowed churches to have a relatively high level of autonomy.[9]

Also, the same high numbers of atheists don't exist in the other European countries that have a history of Soviet occupation, except for the Czech Republic. Another explanation could be the secular movements during the Weimar Republic which were strongest in the states of Thuringia and Saxony.

Christianity still has a notable presence in the rest of Germany, though there is an atheist majority in Hamburg.
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22-07-2014, 10:14 AM
RE: Evidence? Screw that!
(21-07-2014 03:10 PM)morondog Wrote:  If you are one of those who's a wishful thinker then you're pretty susceptible to religion, and likewise religion can induce wishful thinking - feedback loop. Self sustaining.

No no. Atheism is wishful thinking.

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