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26-01-2017, 09:17 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
It's hard to know where to start.

It may be helpful to ask the question: what would one naturally expect to see from written revelation from a god who is all powerful, all knowing, and entirely benevolent? What would we expect if that revelation were inerrant?

We could expect:

1) For the text to be non-self-contradicting
2) To be congruent with experienced reality and known facts
3) To inspire a higher moral code than was known to the era in which it was written

I think if you look at scriptures from just these three questions alone, you can see that it lacks the characteristics that would qualify it as a candidate for consideration for holy writ.
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26-01-2017, 09:18 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
There is no original version of the NT available. It's been changed countless times.




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26-01-2017, 09:18 AM (This post was last modified: 26-01-2017 09:21 AM by Szuchow.)
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
(26-01-2017 09:14 AM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(26-01-2017 09:12 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Maybe this time you will get it - there is no evidence for existence of something called god.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

You're some bot or something?

Also what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Therefore I dismiss notion of god existence.

Edit: What evidence you have for space wizard existence? I'm quite curious about it.

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26-01-2017, 09:18 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
At work.

(26-01-2017 09:05 AM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(26-01-2017 09:03 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Consider

Wait? What?

Yes, exactly that there is absolutely NO evidence for divine inspiration proves the point.

Is simple, ja? Thumbsup

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Wait.

You asked if there were any evidence of divine inspiration in the works/workings/creation of said book.

Multiple posters have replied that there is, indeed, ZERO, nix, nadda, quantum-vacum poofteenth of nothing amount of evidence about any actual inspiration divine or otherwise.

So, in this case, absence of evidence really is absence of evidence.

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26-01-2017, 09:18 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
(26-01-2017 08:51 AM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(26-01-2017 08:46 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Why would you start with the assumption that any book is true unless evidence exists that it isn't? The book is the claim and there needs to be supporting evidence before it can be believed, not the other way around.

As Aaron Ra likes to say, the claims fall into 2 categories: not evidently true and evidently not true. There is good reason, for example, to believe that virtually all of Genesis and Exodus is mythology. If a god inspired it then it was a god that likes fiction.

And I need to know if divine inspiration is evidently not true
Answer the question. WHY would you start with the backwards premise that a thing should be believed unless it can be proven untrue ... when in fact the opposite is the case? A thing should NOT be believed unless it can be demonstrated to be TRUE.
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26-01-2017, 09:21 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
(26-01-2017 08:52 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  Which bible?

Greek Orthodox?
Russian Orthodox?
Georgian?
Armenian Apostolic?
New Testament of the Coptic Bible? (Egyptian)
The Peshitta Tradition? (Syrian)
The Ethiopian New Testament? (Ethiopian)
The Ethiopian Narrow Canon? (Ethiopian)
The Douay-Rheims Bible? (Roman Catholic)
The Authorized King James Version?
The English Revised Version?
The American Standard Version?
The Revised Standard Version?
The New American Standard Version?
The New King James Version?
The New International Version?
The English Standard Version?

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26-01-2017, 09:22 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
(26-01-2017 09:14 AM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(26-01-2017 09:12 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Maybe this time you will get it - there is no evidence for existence of something called god.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

It is when talk about certain impossible situations.

There is no evidence of an elephant in my car.
The absence of that evidence IS evidence of absence.

And when you discuss a god with infinite power and knowledge who inspires a human mind to write mistake after mistake, errors upons errors, then you have evidence of the absence of knowledge being imparted to them.

The entire universe is like my car and an all powerful god is the elephant.

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26-01-2017, 09:23 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
(26-01-2017 09:07 AM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(26-01-2017 08:58 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Remember this thread:

Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable

It was shown that there are many parts of this book that are false.

False=not divinely inspired.

All that proves is the bible isn't the literal word of God it doesn't prove the bible isn't the inspired word of God

So if the bible states false things, you create a category of "not-literal" but still "divinely inspired".

That is called cherry-picking, and is intellectually dishonest.

The Adam myth in Genesis depends on a literal interpretation for the Jesus story to work. No fall of man= no Jesus necessary.

The fall of man; according to the bible, ushered in sin and death into the world.

This is demonstrably false, humans are not linked to death and suffering.

Which part of that is "literal" and which part of that is "inspired". Which process do you use to determine the difference? Would that be faith?

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26-01-2017, 09:23 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
(26-01-2017 09:18 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  quantum-vacum poofteenth

I love that.

I shall begin to introduce that into my daily lexicon effective immediately.
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26-01-2017, 09:25 AM
RE: Evidence against divine inspiration
(26-01-2017 09:05 AM)Ask21771 Wrote:  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Quit parroting apologist tropes and actually respond to the points.

Absence of evidence is not conclusive and incontrovertible evidence of absence, but it is evidence of absence.

Absence of evidence does not allow a knowledge claim but it informs a justifiable belief claim, namely, it justifies withholding belief until such time as there is evidence to support it.

>>> The logical and wise default when evidence is lacking, is unbelief.

>>> The illogical and credulous default when evidence is lacking, is belief.
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