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19-07-2016, 06:35 AM
Evidence for Divinity
So the Contemporary Accounts thread has dragged itself out for an excruciating 1140+ posts.

As I noted in that thread, I see the Mythicist position as interesting, but not entirely convincing. I also think that it is somewhat a moot point.

Historicity gives you the following:

Jesus was a Jewish preacher in Jerusalem/Palestine area some 2000 years ago.
He was executed for sedition by the Romans.
His followers built a religion around his teachings.

Other than the bible, what evidence is there for DIVINITY?

You can cite evidence that jesus probably existed.

Can you cite evidence for Divinity? That's the important question.

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19-07-2016, 07:20 AM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
(19-07-2016 06:35 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  So the Contemporary Accounts thread has dragged itself out for an excruciating 1140+ posts.

As I noted in that thread, I see the Mythicist position as interesting, but not entirely convincing. I also think that it is somewhat a moot point.

Historicity gives you the following:

Jesus was a Jewish preacher in Jerusalem/Palestine area some 2000 years ago.
He was executed for sedition by the Romans.
His followers built a religion around his teachings.

Other than the bible, what evidence is there for DIVINITY?

You can cite evidence that jesus probably existed.

Can you cite evidence for Divinity? That's the important question.

Every person who has ever been elevated and deified as a god has one major thing in common, they've all defied the laws physics that constrain the rest of us poor schmucks. It sets them apart from us normal mortals. But hey, if these gods can fly or walk on water or transform themselves into a different animal or defy death and the basic laws of physics then perhaps, just maybe we can too.

Buddha didn't even claim to be a god but has been turned into a god by some followers. This is what happens to heroic figures over the years of retelling, they become larger than life and redefine it. This is how religions start and why they keep surviving. Jesus is just another local hero put on a pedestal by his followers. It's all a bunch of wishful thinking hooey though.

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He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
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19-07-2016, 12:15 PM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
The only "evidence" for Jesus being divine are the gospels in the Bible, there are no first hand accounts or even reliable third hand accounts of his special powers, the only time it's mentioned is within the context of the religion itself.

I've seen people try to use that excuse, "Well this historian wrote about the early Xians and said they worshiped this guy who died and came back to life, so it must be true." It's true they worshiped him but it's not necessarily true he did come back to life, that would make every single religion based on magical events true as well, just because there is group of people who believe it? It doesn't matter how sincere a belief is or how popular it is, that doesn't make it true.

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19-07-2016, 12:18 PM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
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19-07-2016, 12:20 PM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
Israel was built in a day.

war still goes on today

and other such mundane prophecies.

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19-07-2016, 12:30 PM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
(19-07-2016 12:20 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Israel was built in a day.

war still goes on today

and other such mundane prophecies.

When was Israel built in a day?

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19-07-2016, 12:32 PM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
Evidence for Divinity? I think I can manage:

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19-07-2016, 12:35 PM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
(19-07-2016 12:30 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 12:20 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Israel was built in a day.

war still goes on today

and other such mundane prophecies.

When was Israel built in a day?
When the intentional nutbags who wanted to make their prophecy come true proclaimed their founding of modern Israel to be that

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19-07-2016, 12:39 PM
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(19-07-2016 12:35 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 12:30 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  When was Israel built in a day?
When the intentional nutbags who wanted to make their prophecy come true proclaimed their founding of modern Israel to be that

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19-07-2016, 03:27 PM
RE: Evidence for Divinity
(19-07-2016 06:35 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  Historicity gives you the following:

Jesus was a Jewish preacher in Jerusalem/Palestine area some 2000 years ago.
Really? Is there compelling evidence of this?

(19-07-2016 06:35 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  He was executed for sedition by the Romans.
Is there evidence of this?
I understand there is a side note in a passage written by Tacitus, whom didn't cite any references and didn't know Yeshua, didn't mention Yeshua by name, etc.
It was just noise, rather then verified fact.


(19-07-2016 06:35 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  His followers built a religion around his teachings.
Just because people believe in Yeshua, doesn't mean that he actually existed.
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