Evidence for the non-existence of the christian god
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01-09-2014, 09:29 AM
Evidence for the non-existence of the christian god
I'll start with the universe as my first piece of evidence for the non-existence of the christian god.
This God is described by some as all powerful. I take that to mean that it is infinite in scope for every force that can exist. If we take a look at just one force, the force of gravity, we can obviously see that an infinitely large black hole (just gravity) would prevent a universe like ours from existing. Since our universe exists, an all powerful infinite force cannot exist.

A mind is a product of a biological process. Since a universe is required to produce a mind, an infinitely powerful force that prevents a universe from existing cannot contain a mind.

My last piece of evidence is my own brain. My brain is able at times to use critical thinking, logic and reason. Because of these mental faculties I am able to discern fact from fantasy. There are no facts related to the existence of any gods, let alone the christian god. My brain is able to reason that the stories created by other humans are fantasies.

A god of limited, finite power may exist within the universe as a product of the universe, the infinite christian god is incompatible with the existence of our own universe.

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01-09-2014, 10:30 AM (This post was last modified: 01-09-2014 11:01 AM by ghostexorcist.)
RE: Evidence for the non-existence of the christian god
Anatomically modern humans lived for 196,000 years before the first evidence for Yahweh popped up in the archaeological record around 4,000 years ago. So we lived 98% of our history without a supposed supernatural being intervening. Why so? One could argue that the deity was waiting for the "right time," but the scriptures, the corner stone of the Judeo-Christian faith, do not support such a hypothesis. Let’s not forget that the religion is just one of many that have come about within the last 5,000 years. Some of these claim to be "true" just like Christianity. Heaven must be a crowded place, then.

Also, the scientific evidence for our evolution, the evolution of all life on earth, the early origins of life, the formation of the earth and solar system, and the expansion of the universe greatly contradicts Genesis. Again, one might argue that what is described is not literal but a metaphor for what we currently know about existence. But I would counter that making such allowances further removes their deity from the one described in their scriptures. Yahweh becomes less of a personal god who interacts with us on a daily basis and more of a deistic "prime mover" that remains silent and hides in the shadows. And since it's better to say that we "don't know" what preceded the Big Bang than assigning it a supernatural instigator, I think I stand on firm ground by saying there is no evidence for Yahweh (or any other god for that matter).

(I would like to point out that this evidence would only make sense to science-minded people. Biblical literalists would look at "our" evidence in the same vain as we do theirs. So this is a pointless venture if we are trying to sway their minds.)

Any evidence put forth by creationists can be easily explained away with naturalistic processes. A good example is Irreducible Complexity. This has been discussed ad nauseam, so there is no point in going into it further. This PowerPoint I created for a class covers the evidence against it and Intelligent Design.

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01-09-2014, 10:40 AM
RE: Evidence for the non-existence of the christian god
After your triumph in this endeavour, how many of the other gods are you going to disprove?

You must have a lot of time on your hands.
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01-09-2014, 04:11 PM
RE: Evidence for the non-existence of the christian god
Today I actually do have a lot of time on my hands. Some christian idiot was offering $100,000 to anyone who could provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

I was going to show him a horrific picture, like any horrific picture as evidence that a God doesn't exist, but I thought my own thoughts might be a better way to engage a complete stranger who suffers from delusional thinking.

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01-09-2014, 04:37 PM
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(01-09-2014 04:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Today I actually do have a lot of time on my hands. Some christian idiot was offering $100,000 to anyone who could provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

I was going to show him a horrific picture, like any horrific picture as evidence that a God doesn't exist, but I thought my own thoughts might be a better way to engage a complete stranger who suffers from delusional thinking.

You mean that Kevin Smith look a like dude, Josh Feurstein or something like that?

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01-09-2014, 04:40 PM
RE: Evidence for the non-existence of the christian god
(01-09-2014 04:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Today I actually do have a lot of time on my hands. Some christian idiot was offering $100,000 to anyone who could provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

I was going to show him a horrific picture, like any horrific picture as evidence that a God doesn't exist, but I thought my own thoughts might be a better way to engage a complete stranger who suffers from delusional thinking.

There would be no point in submitting anything to him because his mind is already made up. Someone who makes such a wager obviously doesn't appreciate the weight of scientific evidence.
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01-09-2014, 04:44 PM
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(01-09-2014 04:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Today I actually do have a lot of time on my hands. Some christian idiot was offering $100,000 to anyone who could provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

I was going to show him a horrific picture, like any horrific picture as evidence that a God doesn't exist, but I thought my own thoughts might be a better way to engage a complete stranger who suffers from delusional thinking.

I don't think any picture will convince someone who was not already convinced by the horror that is the Bible.Drinking Beverage

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01-09-2014, 05:01 PM
RE: Evidence for the non-existence of the christian god
(01-09-2014 09:29 AM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I'll start with the universe as my first piece of evidence for the non-existence of the christian god.
This God is described by some as all powerful. I take that to mean that it is infinite in scope for every force that can exist. If we take a look at just one force, the force of gravity, we can obviously see that an infinitely large black hole (just gravity) would prevent a universe like ours from existing. Since our universe exists, an all powerful infinite force cannot exist.

A mind is a product of a biological process. Since a universe is required to produce a mind, an infinitely powerful force that prevents a universe from existing cannot contain a mind.

My last piece of evidence is my own brain. My brain is able at times to use critical thinking, logic and reason. Because of these mental faculties I am able to discern fact from fantasy. There are no facts related to the existence of any gods, let alone the christian god. My brain is able to reason that the stories created by other humans are fantasies.

A god of limited, finite power may exist within the universe as a product of the universe, the infinite christian god is incompatible with the existence of our own universe.

First fail - gravity is not infinite since it is in the confines of this dimension. Gravity obeys the laws of physics, these laws have a finite limit, this means that an advanced civilization will know everything and anything about this universe given enough time. Therefore intelligent design of a supreme civilization that created this universe is possible
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01-09-2014, 05:10 PM
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(01-09-2014 04:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-09-2014 04:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Today I actually do have a lot of time on my hands. Some christian idiot was offering $100,000 to anyone who could provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

I was going to show him a horrific picture, like any horrific picture as evidence that a God doesn't exist, but I thought my own thoughts might be a better way to engage a complete stranger who suffers from delusional thinking.

I don't think any picture will convince someone who was not already convinced by the horror that is the Bible.Drinking Beverage

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01-09-2014, 05:12 PM
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(01-09-2014 04:37 PM)JDog554 Wrote:  
(01-09-2014 04:11 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Today I actually do have a lot of time on my hands. Some christian idiot was offering $100,000 to anyone who could provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

I was going to show him a horrific picture, like any horrific picture as evidence that a God doesn't exist, but I thought my own thoughts might be a better way to engage a complete stranger who suffers from delusional thinking.

You mean that Kevin Smith look a like dude, Josh Feurstein or something like that?

Beat you he does not even have it. Kent Hovind did the same thing, but move the goal post every time he saw something he did not like. Even if he had it, he would never give it up anyway.

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