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29-11-2014, 02:33 PM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
(29-11-2014 01:38 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Eh wot??? Unsure

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Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past, The Cydonian Hypothesis, and Fermi's Paradox

Quote:Analysis of recent Mars isotopic, gamma ray, and imaging data supports the hypothesis that perhaps two immense thermonuclear explosions occurred on Mars in the distant past and these explosions were targeted on sites of previously reported artifacts. Analysis rules out large unstable ``natural nuclear reactors'' [1], instead, data is consistent with mixed fusion-fission explosions [2]. Imagery at the radioactive centers of the explosions shows no craters, consistent with ``airbursts.'' Explosions appear correlated with the sites of reported artifacts at Cydonia Mensa and Galaxias Chaos [3], Analysis of new images from Odyssey, MRO and Mars Express orbiters now show strong evidence of eroded archeological objects at these sites. Taken together, the data requires that the hypothesis of Mars as the site of an ancient planetary nuclear massacre, must now be considered. Fermi's Paradox, the unexpected silence of the stars, may be solved at Mars. Providentially, we are forewarned of this possible aspect of the cosmos. The author therefore advocates that a human mission to Mars is mounted immediately to maximize knowledge of what occurred.

That's an... Interesting claim.

Never heard of the APS, so I thought I'd look for other, 'reliably known' organisations to back it up.. The first one I came across... Foxnews *shudder*. The vast majority else were conspiracy and crazy sites. And a Huffpost article.

The Fox article from 2011 states that several other experts outside of the main researcher had claimed the findings may be part of natural processes, one quote from one Dr. Lars Borg states: "We've looked at Martian meteorites for 15 years, and looked in detail at the isotopic measurements .. and not a single person out of hundreds worrying about this have thought there could have been a nuclear explosion on Mars..."

The HuffPo article states "Scientists have argued that while he's, technically, not wrong about the soil thing, the discovery of high concentrations of Xenon-129 in the atmosphere should not be surprising as it's a commonly found substance."
Motherboard.vice.com (a references HuffPo article) stated "It is of course worth noting that no high profile scientists have given any credence at all to this theory."

It is an interesting claim, but instead of heading right for the nukes, I think we've other potential reasons to explore.

I preface this with the fact that I'm no scientician: Arguably it is entirely possible that the 'explosion' may have been caused by an actual natural radioactive reaction, similar to that discovered at Oklo, Gabon: a uranium deposit struck by a neutron causes a self-sustained reaction in the deposit. This may have 'bleed out' the radioactive elements used as evidence for the Mars 'explosion'... Or it may have actually lead to a fission explosion... Though the apparent lack of necessary craters makes one wonder about the likelihood of an actual explosion; may have been covered in the intermediate time, but eh.
Another possibility may have been the break up of a big-ass radioactive meteor above the area.

But again, I'm no scientician and physics is galaxially far out of my range of knowledge.

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29-11-2014, 06:14 PM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
No one would have believed....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI9GwfQWQSU

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01-12-2014, 01:41 AM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
(29-11-2014 01:38 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Eh wot??? Unsure

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Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past, The Cydonian Hypothesis, and Fermi's Paradox

J. E. Brandenburg's Citations:
Quote: [1] J. E. Brandenburg ``Evidence for a large Natural, Paleo- Nuclear Reactor on Mars'' 42$^{nd}$ LPSC (2011).\\[0pt]
[2] J.E. Brandenburg, ``Anomalous Nuclear Events on Mars in the Past'', Mars Society Meeting (2014)\\[0pt]
[3] J.E. Brandenburg, Vincent DiPietro, and Gregory Molenaar, (1991) ``The Cydonian Hypothesis'' Jou. of Sci. Exp., 5, 1, p1-25.
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Without actually wasting the time on this that would be required to go into the science of it I'm going to guess that a lot of this can be explained by the fact that Mars has a weak magentosphere and little atmosphere so a lot of solar and cosmic radiation reaches the surface. That's going to kick the crap out of isotope systematics that aren't buried under a lot of rock. That's a shame because it'll make getting reliable geochron data difficult. So technically he's correct, Mars has been the site of two large thermonuclear explosions in the past, those being (1) the sun and (2) the rest of the universe.

NewsFlash! Thermonuclear fireball witnessed over Washington, DC yesterday! Multiple, higher altitude detonations observed later in the day!

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01-12-2014, 01:52 AM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
(01-12-2014 01:41 AM)Paleophyte Wrote:  NewsFlash! Thermonuclear fireball witnessed over Washington, DC yesterday! Multiple, higher altitude detonations observed later in the day!

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I see what you did there.

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01-12-2014, 05:03 AM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
I'm thinking of sending the chair of that session an email offering to sell him pills to enlarge his penis.
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01-12-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
(01-12-2014 05:03 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  I'm thinking of sending the chair of that session an email offering to sell him pills to enlarge his penis.

Oddly, it's fairly good news that they aren't simply censoring this bullshit outright. As tempting as it is, you end up in a fairly odd place when you start deciding what can and cannot be presented as science. Many scientists made that mistake with Velikosky's BS about Jupiter crapping out Venus and it back-fired on them in a big way. It's simpler and more effective to invite them to make an ass of themselves publicly and point and laugh.

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01-12-2014, 07:14 AM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
(01-12-2014 06:52 AM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 05:03 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  I'm thinking of sending the chair of that session an email offering to sell him pills to enlarge his penis.

Oddly, it's fairly good news that they aren't simply censoring this bullshit outright. As tempting as it is, you end up in a fairly odd place when you start deciding what can and cannot be presented as science. Many scientists made that mistake with Velikosky's BS about Jupiter crapping out Venus and it back-fired on them in a big way. It's simpler and more effective to invite them to make an ass of themselves publicly and point and laugh.

How did it "backfire"? Consider

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01-12-2014, 01:28 PM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
(01-12-2014 07:14 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 06:52 AM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Oddly, it's fairly good news that they aren't simply censoring this bullshit outright. As tempting as it is, you end up in a fairly odd place when you start deciding what can and cannot be presented as science. Many scientists made that mistake with Velikosky's BS about Jupiter crapping out Venus and it back-fired on them in a big way. It's simpler and more effective to invite them to make an ass of themselves publicly and point and laugh.

How did it "backfire"? Consider
Velikovsky's critics were a little too zealous in their attempts to keep what is accurately considered a load of BS out of the scientific community. Their efforts tip-toed around, and in a few cases waltzed over, the boundaries of censorship. Having prominent members of the scientific community so wound up about his book let him portray himself to the public as a poor genius underdog oppressed by a dogmatic establishment. If they'd had the sense to simply point and laugh it's likely that nobody would know of him today.

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01-12-2014, 02:38 PM
RE: Evidence of Massive Thermonuclear Explosions in Mars Past
(01-12-2014 01:28 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:14 AM)Chas Wrote:  How did it "backfire"? Consider
Velikovsky's critics were a little too zealous in their attempts to keep what is accurately considered a load of BS out of the scientific community. Their efforts tip-toed around, and in a few cases waltzed over, the boundaries of censorship. Having prominent members of the scientific community so wound up about his book let him portray himself to the public as a poor genius underdog oppressed by a dogmatic establishment. If they'd had the sense to simply point and laugh it's likely that nobody would know of him today.

Ah, I see what you meant. Thanks.Smile

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