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04-01-2015, 11:31 AM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2015 11:36 AM by Peebothuhul.)
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 11:24 AM)fmudd Wrote:  If I understand your question correctly, the point at which believers interact with God is prayer and meditation.

For the faithful, prayer works.

At work.

Not quite. The above reply is not god. It's still effectively 'us'.

Or even the 'placebo' effect which, if you are saying that's god, makes it a small and insubstantial thing in itself.

So.... should a god exist.... there should be some independent and measurable and such way of noticing the effects. Yes/No?

Edit: What I am trying to phone post is;

If a god (Any god) is external to humanity..... Then there should be marks/effects undeniably left over by such.

To posit that the diety is some how, somewhere inside of us? Given what we know of human biology....... where is such a thing possibly hiding?

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04-01-2015, 05:03 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 11:31 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

Not quite. The above reply is not god. It's still effectively 'us'.

Or even the 'placebo' effect which, if you are saying that's god, makes it a small and insubstantial thing in itself.

So.... should a god exist.... there should be some independent and measurable and such way of noticing the effects. Yes/No?

Edit: What I am trying to phone post is;

If a god (Any god) is external to humanity..... Then there should be marks/effects undeniably left over by such.

To posit that the diety is some how, somewhere inside of us? Given what we know of human biology....... where is such a thing possibly hiding?

Much cheers to all .

I'm not saying that God is inside people, just that He is experienced personally.
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04-01-2015, 05:08 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 05:03 PM)fmudd Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 11:31 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

Not quite. The above reply is not god. It's still effectively 'us'.

Or even the 'placebo' effect which, if you are saying that's god, makes it a small and insubstantial thing in itself.

So.... should a god exist.... there should be some independent and measurable and such way of noticing the effects. Yes/No?

Edit: What I am trying to phone post is;

If a god (Any god) is external to humanity..... Then there should be marks/effects undeniably left over by such.

To posit that the diety is some how, somewhere inside of us? Given what we know of human biology....... where is such a thing possibly hiding?

Much cheers to all .

I'm not saying that God is inside people, just that He is experienced personally.

As opposed to what ? "Experienced non-personally". Tell us, Mr. Mud, what would an alternative to your assertion look like. Can PEOPLE experience anything "non-personally" ?

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04-01-2015, 05:58 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 05:08 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 05:03 PM)fmudd Wrote:  I'm not saying that God is inside people, just that He is experienced personally.

As opposed to what ? "Experienced non-personally". Tell us, Mr. Mud, what would an alternative to your assertion look like. Can PEOPLE experience anything "non-personally" ?

As opposed to being experienced externally; which was asserted earlier.
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04-01-2015, 06:06 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 05:58 PM)fmudd Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 05:08 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  As opposed to what ? "Experienced non-personally". Tell us, Mr. Mud, what would an alternative to your assertion look like. Can PEOPLE experience anything "non-personally" ?

As opposed to being experienced externally; which was asserted earlier.

Say what ? How exactly does does a person "experience something externally" ?
Asserted before or not, it's meaningless. ANY experience is a personal experience.
Name one that isn't.

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04-01-2015, 06:12 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 05:03 PM)fmudd Wrote:  I'm not saying that God is inside people, just that He is experienced personally.

?

Consider

So... the deity is some how experienced personally.

From where?

Into where?

How into the where?

How does something which is thence postulated as
(04-01-2015 05:03 PM)fmudd Wrote:  ".... experienced personally..."
thence effect the world at large around humanity?

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04-01-2015, 06:19 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:06 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 05:58 PM)fmudd Wrote:  As opposed to being experienced externally; which was asserted earlier.

Say what ? How exactly does does a person "experience something externally" ?
Asserted before or not, it's meaningless. ANY experience is a personal experience.
Name one that isn't.

Touch, taste, sight, sound, etc. Driving a car, flying a plane, all of the things you do everyday.

External.
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04-01-2015, 06:24 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:19 PM)fmudd Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 06:06 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Say what ? How exactly does does a person "experience something externally" ?
Asserted before or not, it's meaningless. ANY experience is a personal experience.
Name one that isn't.

Touch, taste, sight, sound, etc. Driving a car, flying a plane, all of the things you do everyday.

External.

If a person didn't experience any of those, they would not be experienced (at all). You're attempting to create a distinction with no difference.

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04-01-2015, 06:27 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:12 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 05:03 PM)fmudd Wrote:  I'm not saying that God is inside people, just that He is experienced personally.

?

Consider

So... the deity is some how experienced personally.

From where?

Into where?

How into the where?

How does something which is thence postulated as
(04-01-2015 05:03 PM)fmudd Wrote:  ".... experienced personally..."
thence effect the world at large around humanity?

Much cheers to all.

God is experienced personally through prayer.
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04-01-2015, 06:29 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:24 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 06:19 PM)fmudd Wrote:  Touch, taste, sight, sound, etc. Driving a car, flying a plane, all of the things you do everyday.

External.

If a person didn't experience any of those, they would not be experienced (at all). You're attempting to create a distinction with no difference.

Yabut, those experiences are all triggered by something that actually exists external to the person. The god experience is all in the imagination so nothing that actually exists is involved. You know... Internal.

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