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04-01-2015, 06:29 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:24 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 06:19 PM)fmudd Wrote:  Touch, taste, sight, sound, etc. Driving a car, flying a plane, all of the things you do everyday.

External.

If a person didn't experience any of those, they would not be experienced (at all). You're attempting to create a distinction with no difference.

Wrong. Dreaming, for example, is experienced internally. There are well documented external and internal experienced.
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04-01-2015, 06:31 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2015 06:35 PM by fmudd.)
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:29 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 06:24 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  If a person didn't experience any of those, they would not be experienced (at all). You're attempting to create a distinction with no difference.

Yabut, those experiences are all triggered by something that actually exists external to the person. The god experience is all in the imagination so nothing that actually exists is involved. You know... Internal.

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Except I am not saying God exists internally; just that he is experienced internally. SPELLING EDIT: One way is via prayer.
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04-01-2015, 06:38 PM
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(04-01-2015 06:31 PM)fmudd Wrote:  Except I am not saying God exists internally; just that he is experienced internally. SPELLING EDIT: One way is via prayer.

I'm not at all surprised you missed the point but anyway....

Prayer, like dreaming, is a completely internal process. There is just no evidence that there is anything other than that internal process. It's find to say god is only experienced internally but that offers no reason to believe that prayer is anything much different than a dream -- just the mind talking to itself.

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04-01-2015, 06:40 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2015 06:43 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:29 PM)fmudd Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 06:24 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  If a person didn't experience any of those, they would not be experienced (at all). You're attempting to create a distinction with no difference.

Wrong. Dreaming, for example, is experienced internally. There are well documented external and internal experienced.

If a deity exists it is external to an individual brain. No ? A person experiences what it experiences via sensory input, and brain activity. Clearly you know nothing about Neuro-science. You are still making a distinction with no difference. Whether a stimulus is (as you say "external" OR) is initiated by internal brain chemistry, it is STILL a "personal experience". It appears you are attempting to say "internally generated" experiences are somehow fundamentally different than "externally generated" experiences. Both are "personal experiences".

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04-01-2015, 06:51 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  If a deity exists it is external to an individual brain. No ? A person experiences what it experiences via sensory input, and brain activity. Clearly you know nothing about Neuro-science. You are still making a distinction with no difference. Whether a stimulus is (as you say "external" OR) is initiated by internal brain chemistry, it is STILL a "personal experience". It appears you are attempting to say "internally generated" experiences are somehow fundamentally different than "externally generated" experiences. Both are "personal experiences".

Let's back up for a minute. I was responding to a question regarding believers' interaction with God. My answer is that God is experienced personally through prayer. Not that He is "inside" people.

These experiences are not like eating, walking, talking typing, etc.
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04-01-2015, 07:10 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2015 07:57 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 06:51 PM)fmudd Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 06:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  If a deity exists it is external to an individual brain. No ? A person experiences what it experiences via sensory input, and brain activity. Clearly you know nothing about Neuro-science. You are still making a distinction with no difference. Whether a stimulus is (as you say "external" OR) is initiated by internal brain chemistry, it is STILL a "personal experience". It appears you are attempting to say "internally generated" experiences are somehow fundamentally different than "externally generated" experiences. Both are "personal experiences".

Let's back up for a minute. I was responding to a question regarding believers' interaction with God. My answer is that God is experienced personally through prayer. Not that He is "inside" people.

These experiences are not like eating, walking, talking typing, etc.

No one said he's "inside" people. Just like ALL things "experienced" they ARE the same thing. As I said you know NOTHING about Psychology and human "experiences" and how they are studied. When a religious person says they "experience" their god by whatever means, (awe through nature, music, love etc etc) the experience is STILL by virtue of an intact functioning brain. There is no essential difference in the kinds of "experience". When your brain tell you, you "experience god through prayer" it's nothing but your brain INTERPRETING chemical signals in your brain as a "god". One could subject your brain to an MRI scan or a PET scan and watch it happen. It's a PHYSICAL phenomenon. Nothing more.

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04-01-2015, 08:12 PM
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(04-01-2015 07:10 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one said he's "inside" people. Just like ALL things "experienced" they ARE the same thing. As I said you know NOTHING about Psychology and human "experiences" and how they are studied. When a religious person says they "experience" their god by whatever means, (awe through nature, music, love etc etc) the experience is STILL by virtue of an intact functioning brain. There is no essential difference to the kinds of "experience". When your brain tell you, you "experience god through prayer" it's nothing but your brain INTERPRETING chemical signals in your brain as a "god". One could subject your brain to an MRI scan or a PET scan and watch it happen. It's a PHYSICAL phenomenon. Nothing more.

Is that what you think God is? The collective chemicals of billions of people over thousands of years?
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04-01-2015, 08:43 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 08:12 PM)fmudd Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 07:10 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one said he's "inside" people. Just like ALL things "experienced" they ARE the same thing. As I said you know NOTHING about Psychology and human "experiences" and how they are studied. When a religious person says they "experience" their god by whatever means, (awe through nature, music, love etc etc) the experience is STILL by virtue of an intact functioning brain. There is no essential difference to the kinds of "experience". When your brain tell you, you "experience god through prayer" it's nothing but your brain INTERPRETING chemical signals in your brain as a "god". One could subject your brain to an MRI scan or a PET scan and watch it happen. It's a PHYSICAL phenomenon. Nothing more.

Is that what you think God is? The collective chemicals of billions of people over thousands of years?

Despite your attempt at making an "argumentum ad populum" (fallacy), yes indeed, That is exactly what she is. And of course you dismiss ALL the gods except yours, so other than a small detail, you do exactly the same thing.

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04-01-2015, 09:06 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 08:43 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 08:12 PM)fmudd Wrote:  Is that what you think God is? The collective chemicals of billions of people over thousands of years?

Despite your attempt at making an "argumentum ad populum" (fallacy), yes indeed, That is exactly what she is. And of course you dismiss ALL the gods except yours, so other than a small detail, you do exactly the same thing.

First, since when did I dismiss other Gods?

Second, what else in this world is like what you feel God is?
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04-01-2015, 09:11 PM
RE: Evidence which would constitute God's Existence ...
(04-01-2015 09:06 PM)fmudd Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 08:43 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Despite your attempt at making an "argumentum ad populum" (fallacy), yes indeed, That is exactly what she is. And of course you dismiss ALL the gods except yours, so other than a small detail, you do exactly the same thing.

First, since when did I dismiss other Gods?

Second, what else in this world is like what you feel God is?

You're not tracking. You appear not to get what that fallacy is. You attempted to use vast NUMBERS of people to support your argument. It fails. IF you are trying to argue for Isis, Osiris, Amun Ra, Baal, Allah, Zeus, Hera, and Jupiter, then you're worse off than I thought.

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