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26-04-2013, 01:16 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:11 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  The creationist rebuttal to amphibians is that they are not transitional; they are wholly different species created unique by God.

Amphibians are easily dismissed.

If you want to truly stump him, show him the mudskipper. See what he says about a fish that can live on land or in water.

Not trying to a fend you at all honestly but I'm a bit stumped as to "What you are" you claim to be a theist yet you don't seem that way to me at all I guess I'm just really confused.

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26-04-2013, 01:17 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:16 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:11 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  The creationist rebuttal to amphibians is that they are not transitional; they are wholly different species created unique by God.

Amphibians are easily dismissed.

If you want to truly stump him, show him the mudskipper. See what he says about a fish that can live on land or in water.

Not trying to a fend you at all honestly but I'm a bit stumped as to "What you are" you claim to be a theist yet you don't seem that way to me at all I guess I'm just really confused.

I'm a Christian.

More specifically a Calvinist - Evolutionary Creationist - Amillennialist.

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26-04-2013, 01:23 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:17 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:16 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Not trying to a fend you at all honestly but I'm a bit stumped as to "What you are" you claim to be a theist yet you don't seem that way to me at all I guess I'm just really confused.

I'm a Christian.

More specifically a Calvinist - Evolutionary Creationist - Amillennialist.

Ok I'm just curious if you believe then in the creation story in genesis? I'm sure you have been asked this before so sorry Tongue.

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26-04-2013, 01:24 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:23 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:17 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I'm a Christian.

More specifically a Calvinist - Evolutionary Creationist - Amillennialist.

Ok I'm just curious if you believe then in the creation story in genesis? I'm sure you have been asked this before so sorry Tongue.

No. I do not believe in a literal Genesis. I also believe in evolution.

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26-04-2013, 01:26 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:16 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:11 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  The creationist rebuttal to amphibians is that they are not transitional; they are wholly different species created unique by God.

Amphibians are easily dismissed.

If you want to truly stump him, show him the mudskipper. See what he says about a fish that can live on land or in water.

Not trying to a fend you at all honestly but I'm a bit stumped as to "What you are" you claim to be a theist yet you don't seem that way to me at all I guess I'm just really confused.

He has that effect on people. I think we should name a new symptom on it.

I'll call it KCenitis.>>> The effect of confusing people by causing them to not know whether a certain individual is of religious orientation or not.

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26-04-2013, 01:29 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:26 PM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:16 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Not trying to a fend you at all honestly but I'm a bit stumped as to "What you are" you claim to be a theist yet you don't seem that way to me at all I guess I'm just really confused.

He has that effect on people. I think we should name a new symptom on it.

I'll call it KCenitis.>>> The effect of confusing people by causing them to not know whether a certain individual is of religious orientation or not.

lol or just call it the "KC Effect". I mean we already have Stark's/KC's Law.

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26-04-2013, 01:33 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:26 PM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:16 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Not trying to a fend you at all honestly but I'm a bit stumped as to "What you are" you claim to be a theist yet you don't seem that way to me at all I guess I'm just really confused.

He has that effect on people. I think we should name a new symptom on it.

I'll call it KCenitis.>>> The effect of confusing people by causing them to not know whether a certain individual is of religious orientation or not.

Hahaha.

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26-04-2013, 01:44 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:29 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:26 PM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  He has that effect on people. I think we should name a new symptom on it.

I'll call it KCenitis.>>> The effect of confusing people by causing them to not know whether a certain individual is of religious orientation or not.

lol or just call it the "KC Effect". I mean we already have Stark's/KC's Law.

Well, I suppose that mine sounds to disease related. KC effect works/ sounds better.

Or how about, You've been KC'ed.

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26-04-2013, 01:58 PM
RE: Evolution
(26-04-2013 01:44 PM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  
(26-04-2013 01:29 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  lol or just call it the "KC Effect". I mean we already have Stark's/KC's Law.

Well, I suppose that mine sounds to disease related. KC effect works/ sounds better.

Or how about, You've been KC'ed.

lol that sounds more being being punk'd.

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26-04-2013, 03:46 PM
RE: Evolution
Hey, Chuck.

KC confuses people because he doesn't fit neatly into their stereotypical view of Christians. Imagine that. An individual. That's crazy talk!

It's been said, but yeah, amphibians. Not only that, but mammals are direct descendents of amphibians.

Smack him with this:

THE PALEOZOIC ERA: 542 - 251 MA

THE CAMBRIAN PERIOD: 542 – 488.3 MA
Phylum Chordata evolves spinal chord.
Three subphyla develop

Phylum Chordata
-Subphylum Urochordata
-Subphylum Cephalochordata
-Subphylum Vertebrata (spinal chords are housed in bone vertebral column)

THE ORDOVICIAN PERIOD: 488.3 – 460.9 MA
Kingdom Plantae transitions to land

THE SILURIAN PERIOD: 460.9 - 416 MA
The first land animals. Likely Phylum Arthropoda.

THE DEVONIAN PERIOD: 416 – 359.2 MA
The first tetrapods evolve
Tetrapods have four limbs

Subphylum Vertebrata
-Superclass Tetrapoda

THE CARBONIFEROUS MISSISSIPPIAN PERIOD: 359.2 – 318.1 MA
The first vertebrate tetrapods transition to land.

Class Amphibia (The amphibians)

THE CARBONIFEROUS PENNSYLVANIAN PERIOD: 359.2 – 299 MA
Amphibians proliferate on land.
Organisms evolve from amphibians that produce amniotic eggs

Series Amniota
-Class Synapsids (reptiles with differentiated teeth and amniotic eggs)

THE PERMIAN PERIOD: 299 – 251 MA
The Permian extinction event occurs
An order of Class Synapsid survives the Permian extinction

Order Therapsida
-Suborder Cyondont

THE MESOZOIC ERA: 251 – 65.5 MA

Dinosaurs rule the Earth
New class evolves from Suborder Cyondont

Class Mammalia

THE JURASSIC PERIOD: 199.6 – 145.5 MA
Small mammals proliferate
Dinosaurs were a limiting factor

THE CRETACEOUS PERIOD: 145.5 – 65.5 MA
A subclass and two infraclasses of Class Mammalia appear

Subclass Theria
-Infraclass Marsupialia
-Infraclass Eutheria

Eutheria were placental mammals who gave birth to offspring without using shelled eggs
Eutherian fetuses gestate inside a womb

Infraclass Eutheria gives rise to Superorder Euarchontoglires

Six orders of Superorder Euarchontoglires develop

-Clade Gilres
---Order Rodentia
---Order Lagomorpha
-Clade Euarchonta
---Order Dermoptera
---Order Scandentia
---Order Plesiadapiformes
---Order Primate

Order primate are placenta tetrapodal mammals with fingers, fingernails, opposing thumbs, binocular vision and marked sexual dimorphism.
They are quadrupeds who can walk on two legs for short periods; bipedalism.

Cretaceous Extinction event occurs
Superorder Dinosauria dies off
With their limiting factor gone, mammals fill niches left empty by extinction of dinosaurs

THE CENOZOIC ERA: 65.5 MA - ONGOING

THE PALEOGENE PERIOD: 65.5 – 23.03 MA
Proliferation and diversification of Class mammalia
Large mammals develop

Two suborders of Order Primate develop 63 Ma

-Suborder Strepsirrhini
-Suborder Haplorrhini

Two infraorders of Suborder Haplorrhini develop 58 Ma

-Infraorder Tarsiiformes
-Infraorder Simiiformes (the simians)

Two parvorders develop from Infraorder Simiiformes 40 Ma

-Parvorder Platyrrhini
-Parvorder Catarrhini

Two Simian superfamilies evolved from Parvorder Catarrhini 25 ma

-Superfamily Cercopithecoidea (old world monkeys)
-Superfamily Hominoidea (old world apes)

THE NEOGENE PERIOD: 23.03 MA - ONGOING
Megafauna evolve

Two families evolve from Superfamily Hominoidea 18 Ma

-Family Hylobatidae (Lesser Apes - The Gibbons)
-Family Hominidae (Great Apes)

Two subfamilies evolve 14 Ma

-Subfamily Ponginae (Orangutans)
-Subfamily Homininae

Two tribes evolve from Subfamily Homininae 7 Ma

-Tribe Gorillini (Gorillas)
-Tribe Hominini (Hominids)

Tribe Hominini Splits into:

--Genus Pan (The chimpanzees)
-Subtribe Hominina (Full-time bipeds)
--Genus Orrorin
--Genus Sahelanthropus
--Genus Paranthropus
--Genus Ardipithecus
--Genus Kenyanthropus
--Genus Australopithecus

Eight species evolve from Genus Australopithecus

There were about five species of gracile Australopithecus:
-Australopithecus afarensis
-Australopithecus anamensis
-Australopithecus africanus
-Australopithecus bahrelghazalia
-Australopithecus garhi

And three other species called the robust Australopithecines:
-Australopithecus aethiopicus
-Australopithecus rubustus
-Australopithecus boisei

A new genus evolves from Species Australopithecus africanus

Genus Homo

Several species evolve from Genus Homo, including

-Homo habilus 2 Ma
-Homo ergaster 1.9 Ma
-Homo erectus 1.75 Ma
-Homo heidelbergensis 600 000 Years ago
-Homo sapiens neanderthalensis 300 000 Years ago
-Homo sapiens sapiens 120 000 years ago

The taxonomy of our species, Homo sapiens sapiens, is the following

Domain Eukarya
-Kingdom Animalia
--Phylum Chordata
---Subphylum Vertebrata
----Superclass Tetrapod
-----Series Amniote
------Class Mammalia
-------Infraclass Eutheria
--------Superorder Euarchontoglires
---------Order Primates
----------Suborder Haplorrhini
-----------Infraorder Simiiformes
------------Parvorder Catarrhini
-------------Superfamily Hominoidea
--------------Family Hominidae
---------------Tribe Hominini
----------------Subtribe Hominina
-----------------Genus Homo
------------------Species Homo sapiens
-------------------Subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens

So yeah.

Amphibians.

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