Evolution and Idealism.
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09-04-2013, 06:00 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2013 06:04 PM by Mr Woof.)
Evolution and Idealism.
Does evolution mean that the way we are and the way we act, purely from a random evolutionary history, precludes any morality based other than on coercion? Are we as some claim hard wired to self destruct?

Our evolved intelligence has created serious problems reflecting short term present day solutions to overcome events, that in at least some instances, have been caused by the way we relate to the world. Given on going global wars, threats of world destroying ones, green house gas emissions, third world suffering, increasing domestic violence,drugged insanity, and escapism from reality indicates a massive asylum rather than a populace seeking some form of sanity and world stability.

How is it that we passively take for granted the whims of our leaders, of all persuasions, who help create that asylum? We, as a global community turn to the various religions, ideologies, psychologies, great mentors, and various types of tribalism to create pseudo realities within a tottering establishment. Capitalism sees the answer in better 'things' more people to create 'things' in order to provide jobs to do almost 'anything' The 'thing' I allude to doesn't really matter so long as we are given a temporary reprieve from what essentially reflects our sick community .

Our leaders, with their quasi religious claims to suit, their enormous egos and belief that their methodologies, based on ad hoc patching up, can perhaps conquer all, including space,indulge in their nefarious deeds by instilling fear within their dominions and where necessary providing all manner of crazy sweeteners to appease the masses and maintain the unthinking status quo or created automatons they preside over.

Human rights such as clean air, clean water, peace promoting education, meaning ful work, adequate health care and protection of the environment are all to often deemed economically unsound in some selfish bigger picture: impractical because of crazy religions or ideologies, or in some cases such as global warming, not a problem at all. Even is science did have all the answers we have the problem of multi nationals and huge corporations deciding how best to glean massive profits from their gullible consumers by creating never ending 'needs' and 'wants' along with the antidotes(and it comes at a cost) for the suffering engendered in this brave new world of gross and crazy self indulgence.

If we are hard wired to self destruct...........and there are pretty strong signs, then it seems that might (survival, domination, adaption) will prevail until its all too late to stop the clock. Perhaps, on the other hand, we should ignore the worst aspects of the world's religions, adopt some of the more idealistic tenets where possible, and strive to overcome any notion of pre determined hard wiring that is too negative.
Idealism is not a dirty word but a shaky pragmatism geared towards the ruling elites certainly is one.
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09-04-2013, 06:19 PM
RE: Evolution and Idealism.
I don't see a 'random evolutionary past', but a line of cause and effects that draw back to the moment of the big bang. How we act also dependant on cause and effect. Causes shape our brain differently, making new connections or allowing connections to break down if not used, and they determine the state our brain is in at any given moment. We've been evolving for, what, like 3.5 billion years? How we have evolved, and our current environment (this includes experiences) is why we behave how we behave.

Cause: History
Effect: Present

We are not hard wired to self-destruct, we are hard wired to live and reproduce. Just sayin Thumbsup

2.5 billion seconds total
1.67 billion seconds conscious

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09-04-2013, 07:08 PM
RE: Evolution and Idealism.
(09-04-2013 06:19 PM)Adenosis Wrote:  I don't see a 'random evolutionary past', but a line of cause and effects that draw back to the moment of the big bang. How we act also dependant on cause and effect. Causes shape our brain differently, making new connections or allowing connections to break down if not used, and they determine the state our brain is in at any given moment. We've been evolving for, what, like 3.5 billion years? How we have evolved, and our current environment (this includes experiences) is why we behave how we behave.

Cause: History
Effect: Present

We are not hard wired to self-destruct, we are hard wired to live and reproduce. Just sayin Thumbsup


Then the strange causality leading to the 21st century has led us to the point we now find ourselves.
To use the analogy of "putty', re B.B./Ev theory our morality based on survival cannot transcend the initial source and become something more than something, albeit quite amazing, but essentially of putty origin.
Our cosmic place, now, from a materialistic evolutionary consideration has no essential morality other than species change involving ever better awareness and moral considerations linked to survival as the pre dominant feature.

This survival criterion suggests that striving for a better world for all may be negated by the essence of the theory and urgency to enjoy to the utmost, for fear of ceasing to exist and seems to leave little room for idealism.

Any idea of higher transcending albeit remote aspects to our pre existence appear stymied by our manner of upward evolution, what we see today existentially, and having taken so long to get where we are.

At an extreme level our posited genesis can lead to the nihilism of Max Stirner whereby morality becomes simply an individual choice,not withstanding any risk at law which will prevail in keeping with societal considerations. Consider
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