Evolution and the Scientific Method
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14-10-2017, 03:29 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
(14-10-2017 02:30 PM)Eagle Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 02:21 PM)jennybee Wrote:  [Image: Why-People-Reject-Evolution-pie-chart-meme.jpg]
I KNOW you have noticed that not ONE person has posted here to give proof of evolution!

It's up to you what you want to believe or not.

When it comes to science, I believe the facts, and the facts are that evolution is a lie.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-c...ng-another

“no one has ever demonstrated one species changing to another species.”

"He added that if the theory were true, we should be able “to find intermediate species at any given point in time” and follow the “fossil trail and see how everything evolved,” from single-cell organisms to man, but that trail is not there. "

He is absolutely right.

To say that someone doesn't understand evolution is different from there being no proof of evolution.

What you are starting to get now, is that scientists are now looking to outer space to try to find where life started from. Trying to demonstrate that evolution evolved from mud from lightning storms etc has been abandoned, now the idea which is gaining traction is that life came from outer space.

Of course, like the Russian doll, the one inside comes from another inside etc, postponing the inevitable - it's another excuse rather than admitting that the whole idea of evolution is crazy.

(14-10-2017 02:30 PM)Eagle Wrote:  not ONE person has posted here to give proof of evolution!

Hey dumbfuck!





Also...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...ution.html

Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.

In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say.
In 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea.

Genetic testing on the Pod Mrcaru lizards confirmed that the modern population of more than 5,000 Italian wall lizards are all descendants of the original ten lizards left behind in the 1970's.

While the experiment was more than 30 years in the making, it was not by design, according to Duncan Irschick, a study author and biology professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. After scientists transplanted the reptiles, the Croatian War of Independence erupted, ending in the mid-1990s. The researchers couldn't get back to island because of the war, Irschick said.

In 2004, however, tourism began to open back up, allowing researchers access to the island laboratory. "We didn't know if we would find a lizard there. We had no idea if the original introductions were successful," Irschick said.

What they found, however, was shocking.The island was swarming with lizards," he said. The new habitat once had its own healthy population of lizards, which were less aggressive than the new implants, Irschick said. The new species wiped out the indigenous lizard populations, although how it happened is unknown, he said.

The transplanted lizards adapted to their new environment in ways that expedited their evolution physically, Irschick explained. Pod Mrcaru, for example, had an abundance of plants for the primarily insect-eating lizards to munch on. Physically, however, the lizards were not built to digest a vegetarian diet.

Researchers found that the lizards developed cecal valves—muscles between the large and small intestine—that slowed down food digestion in fermenting chambers, which allowed their bodies to process the vegetation's cellulose into volatile fatty acids.

"They evolved an expanded gut to allow them to process these leaves," Irschick said, adding it was something that had not been documented before. "This was a brand-new structure."

Along with the ability to digest plants came the ability to bite harder, powered by a head that had grown longer and wider. The rapid physical evolution also sparked changes in the lizard's social and behavioral structure, he said. For one, the plentiful food sources allowed for easier reproduction and a denser population.

The lizard also dropped some of its territorial defenses, the authors concluded.

Such physical transformation in just 30 lizard generations takes evolution to a whole new level, Irschick said.

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14-10-2017, 03:29 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
(14-10-2017 02:30 PM)Eagle Wrote:  I KNOW you have noticed that not ONE person has posted here to give proof of evolution!

So you're deliberately ignoring all my posts where I posted evidence and how the theory is being repeatedly tested and used.

You're such a boring troll.
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14-10-2017, 03:33 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
(14-10-2017 02:28 PM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  Why is Eagle trolling this forum? Probably to get a rise out of people.

He's just another liar.

He's trying to get PMs from Jennybee. But I have a feeling Jennybee's not attracted to stupid.
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14-10-2017, 03:40 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
I just want to point out that you guys are talking way over this trolls head. This is all way above its pay grade.
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14-10-2017, 03:42 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
(14-10-2017 03:11 PM)Eagle Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 03:06 PM)Rachel Wrote:  Total and complete rubbish. Evolution has been observed in the wild and in the laboratory.
Please show me where it has been observed in the wild and in the laboratory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo...experiment
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14-10-2017, 03:48 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
There is breathtaking stupid in this thread on many levels.

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14-10-2017, 03:52 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
(14-10-2017 11:17 AM)Eagle Wrote:  3. It cannot be tested because all living things produce only after their own kind, every test shows that this is the case.

Remember that evolution is a theory. Just because the word theory has been dropped does not make it any less of a theory.

You obviously missed my posting about the Pakicetus, which was the evolutionary ancestor of the modern whale. And you need to understand that the religionists' disingenuous use of the word "kind" is done solely for a purpose favourable to their arguments against evolution. It's a cop-out.

Anyway (I'll generously extend my patience even further with an acknowledged troll)...

A scientific theory is a specific type of theory used in the scientific method. The term "theory" can mean something different, depending on whom you ask.

Professor of Biology, Jaime Tanner, of the Marlboro College in Vermont says: "The way that scientists use the word 'theory' is a little different than how it is commonly used in the lay public. Most people use the word 'theory' to mean an idea or hunch that someone has, but in science the word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts."

She further explained that "a scientific theory is the framework for observations and facts. Theories may change, or the way that they are interpreted may change, but the facts themselves don't change. For example, we have ample evidence of traits in populations becoming more or less common over time [evolution], so evolution is a fact but the overarching theories about evolution, the way that we think all of the facts go together might change as new observations of evolution are made."

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14-10-2017, 04:00 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
We now have bacteria that live on nylon. Not sure if the Great Incestor, Noah, had any of those on the fArk.
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14-10-2017, 04:23 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
(14-10-2017 10:58 AM)Eagle Wrote:  Evolution CANNOT be observed, measured or tested.

You are a completely uninformed, uneducated, indisputable fucking idiot.

Evolution in real time

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14-10-2017, 04:26 PM
RE: Evolution and the Scientific Method
(14-10-2017 03:52 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 11:17 AM)Eagle Wrote:  3. It cannot be tested because all living things produce only after their own kind, every test shows that this is the case.

Remember that evolution is a theory. Just because the word theory has been dropped does not make it any less of a theory.

You obviously missed my posting about the Pakicetus, which was the evolutionary ancestor of the modern whale. And you need to understand that the religionists' disingenuous use of the word "kind" is done solely for a purpose favourable to their arguments against evolution. It's a cop-out.

Anyway (I'll generously extend my patience even further with an acknowledged troll)...

A scientific theory is a specific type of theory used in the scientific method. The term "theory" can mean something different, depending on whom you ask.

Professor of Biology, Jaime Tanner, of the Marlboro College in Vermont says: "The way that scientists use the word 'theory' is a little different than how it is commonly used in the lay public. Most people use the word 'theory' to mean an idea or hunch that someone has, but in science the word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts."

She further explained that "a scientific theory is the framework for observations and facts. Theories may change, or the way that they are interpreted may change, but the facts themselves don't change. For example, we have ample evidence of traits in populations becoming more or less common over time [evolution], so evolution is a fact but the overarching theories about evolution, the way that we think all of the facts go together might change as new observations of evolution are made."

Do you realise in your referenced post, that you posted a picture of what some animal that might have existed might have looked like, then you said that it became a whale? That isn't proof, that's known as conjecture.

The quote from the biologist - this is what biologists are doing more and more. Because they can't prove that one species becomes another, they are now starting to change the meaning of the word evolution to mean the difference in a species.
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