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20-08-2015, 10:03 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 09:43 PM)Free Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 09:31 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  You evolutionists must get out into the real world more....

You need to go back to your safe little haven and preach to the choir. You have absolutely 0% chance of any success on this forum. Every last argument you make for intelligent design can be easily countered with far stronger evidence to the contrary.

You have absolutely no idea how much your intelligence quotient is out-stripped by just the average I.Q. of the collective members of this forum, let alone by our individual scientists, programmers, doctors, historians, and other highly gifted professionals.

You are a theist trying to spread your religion in an atheist community. Do you have any idea what that tells us about your level of intelligence?

Keep that in mind.

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No I am a rational scientist and biologist trying to make clear that eolution is a religion.

If you have any rational scientists that can show how evolution is not a religion, do have them step foreward instead of backwards into hiding.

Their only response so far is that evolution is the best theory to date and they suggest we await further evidence or one shred of evidence to support evolution.

I say design porves the DESIGNER, as nothing happens by accident and luck and chance can hardly be credited with the world we have.
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20-08-2015, 10:04 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
Wow, I go away for a few hours, and come back to this!

I like the line about "get out in the real world", since I was a field biologist. That's about as "in the world" as it gets!

DavidJayJordan - As they have already pointed out to you, when you take a course on a subject (be it math, chemistry, or history), you are expected to learn and understand the material before you can pass the course. This is not a conspiracy, this is how college works.

When I was getting my biology degree, I had to understand a great deal of physics, chemistry, and of course biology before I could get my degree. Most of the work in the biology courses was spending HOURS AND HOURS of my life learning the massive amount of evidence that we have for evolution, why it is evidence, and how to disprove bad evidence. Science works on a process of rejecting any ideas that can be (actually) shown to be bad ones. You can make a lot of money and fame if you actually disprove anything in science. These things you allege don't exist would be NICE if they didn't exist; I could have gotten my degree with a lot less hard work!

You can call it a religion all you like, but if so, it is a religion that encourages doubt, that requires proof at every level, that demands that you question every tenet it holds as true.

We have dozens of lines of proof that, if evolution was untrue, would each disprove by itself the entire theory, yet each of the lines of evidence lines up with the others. For instance, we could not sequence DNA in any big amounts until the invention of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) in 1985. When the evidence from that came in, it overwhelmingly backed up what the other lines of evidence showed - it could easily have disproved, for instance, our shared ancestry with the chimpanzees, yet it shows the same "scars" of ancient infections (called Endogenous Retroviruses) in our genomes in exactly the same location, the same sequences, among hundreds of other things that could only be true if we both belonged to the same population, millions of years ago. We can trace the sections of DNA that don't change from Natural Selection pressure (ones that don't code for anything, and so aren't influenced by nature, other than random mutations, which happen at a predictable and very precise rate on average), and can see exactly the amount of divergence between related species, so we can tell how long ago they happened-- guess what? It lines up exactly with the times we got from looking at the transitional fossils and with radiocarbon dating of those fossils. It didn't have to! DNA could have thrown the whole theory on its face, and yet it turned out to be some of the strongest corresponding evidence we have yet produced.

The only way you can deny the reality of evolution today is to simply not understand (or know) what the biological sciences have discovered. It's really as simple as that, and that's why they're telling you to read a book.

Many devout Christians, such as Kenneth R. Miller (researcher at Brown University) and Francis S. Collins (head of the Human Genome Project), are also evolutionary biologists, and do amazing work in the field; they have no reason to take on a "new religion", as you are asserting, or to join what seems like the global conspiracy of scientists you seem to be alleging. You can repeat the lies about evolution, say that it makes claims it does not make and deny the claims it does make, until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change reality.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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20-08-2015, 10:11 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 10:04 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Wow, I go away for a few hours, and come back to this!

I like the line about "get out in the real world", since I was a field biologist. That's about as "in the world" as it gets!

DavidJayJordan - As they have already pointed out to you, when you take a course on a subject (be it math, chemistry, or history), you are expected to learn and understand the material before you can pass the course. This is not a conspiracy, this is how college works.

Real education can stand the heat of real questions, when it can;t it is dogma, just as with a religion.

As mentioned the theory is taught as law, and not as a theory, and becomes mandatory and hence all biology students are forced to accept this indocrination insanity before they can get a degree... Hows that for force and intimidation.

And then they have to retain this indocrination if they stay in the field or lose the congregations favor... and suffer the consequences.... like the inquisition
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20-08-2015, 10:12 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 10:03 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  No I am a rational scientist and biologist trying to make clear that evolution is a religion.

No.. no you are not. Any more than I am an architect.

(20-08-2015 10:03 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  If you have any rational scientists that can show how evolution is not a religion, do have them step forward instead of backwards into hiding.

They have been and you have been ignoring them and their posts and their links.

(20-08-2015 10:03 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Their only response so far is that evolution is the best theory to date and they suggest we await further evidence or one shred of evidence to support evolution.

This is a partial fib. You've seen the links. You have simply either not gone and read them... or can not understand what it is that you have read on said links.

(20-08-2015 10:03 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  I say design proves the DESIGNER, as nothing happens by accident and luck and chance can hardly be credited with the world we have.

Okay... yes, in a way 'Design' proves a 'Designer'. Now, however, you have to show that;

A) There is 'Design'.

B) Stop using 'Luck' and 'chance' in the manner in which you are since it has been explained to you why your terms are INCORRECT!

C) Use the SPELL-CHECKER. I know I can't spell and use it all the time. Don't be ashamed!
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20-08-2015, 10:15 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 10:11 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Real education can stand the heat of real questions, when it can;t it is dogma, just as with a religion.

As mentioned the theory is taught as law, and not as a theory, and becomes mandatory and hence all biology students are forced to accept this indocrination insanity before they can get a degree... Hows that for force and intimidation.

And then they have to retain this indocrination if they stay in the field or lose the congregations favor... and suffer the consequences.... like the inquisition

Real education doesn't care about your objections, at that level. You're just there to learn the material. If you don't, you fail. That's how college works.

It doesn't matter what class you name, you must learn what the professors tell you to learn, show that you understand the material, and pass the tests of that material before you can get a grade. It's not a conspiracy.

Let me say it again: it's not a conspiracy!

If I go in to take my mother's class (she's a speech/theatre professor at a Christian university, although LSU just hired her for a new, better-paying position... I'm very happy for her) and she teaches that interpersonal communication is only 5% the words you say, and the rest is made up of tone and gesture, then I may have an opinion that is different. I might even ask her about it with some hard questions. It is her right as a professor to tell me "just learn the material" and fail me if I do not. Again, it's just how college works.

So one last time: It's not a conspiracy!

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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20-08-2015, 10:18 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 10:03 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 09:43 PM)Free Wrote:  You need to go back to your safe little haven and preach to the choir. You have absolutely 0% chance of any success on this forum. Every last argument you make for intelligent design can be easily countered with far stronger evidence to the contrary.

You have absolutely no idea how much your intelligence quotient is out-stripped by just the average I.Q. of the collective members of this forum, let alone by our individual scientists, programmers, doctors, historians, and other highly gifted professionals.

You are a theist trying to spread your religion in an atheist community. Do you have any idea what that tells us about your level of intelligence?

Keep that in mind.

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No I am a rational scientist and biologist trying to make clear that eolution is a religion.

If you have any rational scientists that can show how evolution is not a religion, do have them step foreward instead of backwards into hiding.

Their only response so far is that evolution is the best theory to date and they suggest we await further evidence or one shred of evidence to support evolution.

I say design porves the DESIGNER, as nothing happens by accident and luck and chance can hardly be credited with the world we have.

"as nothing happens by accident and luck..."

Oops...big error there. I can sense "god has a plan...." will be next

"and chance can hardly be credited with the world we have"

Why not? YOU can't fathom that idea ....probably because you have been bought up in a church. Would I be right about that?
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20-08-2015, 10:21 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
I'm not going back through and reading but this liar keeps saying he's a scientist, did he mentions his education credentials?
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20-08-2015, 10:24 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
Technically, a scientist is anyone who employs the Scientific Method as a part of their work/research, regardless of degrees. But yes, I'm skeptical (to say the least) that this guy actually understands what science is, let alone uses the SM as a part of his work... I can't even imagine him subjecting the drivel I've read so far to Peer Review, or generating reproducible results in any form.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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20-08-2015, 10:29 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 10:24 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Technically, a scientist is anyone who employs the Scientific Method as a part of their work/research, regardless of degrees. But yes, I'm skeptical (to say the least) that this guy actually understands what science is, let alone uses the SM as a part of his work... I can't even imagine him subjecting the drivel I've read so far to Peer Review, or generating reproducible results in any form.

To say evolution is a religion is saying science is a religion, as far as I'm concerned.
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20-08-2015, 10:40 PM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Evolution is a religion because it is based on Faith and Hope in the unknown and unseen. It's followers
firmly believe with all their heart and soul that their God of evolutionary chance and luck has created
them, and they couldn't care less if there is no evidence to support it because they have absolute trust in
their Diety called, Evolution.

And although, they have never seen her nor talked with her, but still they just believe and encourage
one another in their worship services whether at university, or coffee shops, or even on-line. They
usually can't explain exactly when they believe, and so direct questions about their faith, to their white
coated high priests called scientists. And therefore, religious evolutionists are usually completely ignorant
and innocent of the facts of real science and just base their beliefs and their love and devotion on the
opinions of others. So in this way, they shut down all their mental reasoning and just follow the flow of
their congregations. preaching to the converted. And so without thinking, they become scientific
religious groupies, without any individualistic thinking among them. For none are allowed to disagree
with their basic premise and dogma under the penalty of ex-communincation from their hallowed halls of
the religious faithful.

Few have ever questioned their faith and so the majority get quite upset, if you even suggest the most
basic questions to them, as it shatters their dreams and illusions. They pretend to have evidence but
when asked what it is, they become very evasive and non-committal, saying it is a "given" of their
religion.

They are extreme fundamentalists that have isolated themselves from the reality of this world whether
in science, spirituality, or even with life itself. They pin all their hopes and dreams upon Evolution's
mysterious unexplainable ways and means which will somehow, someway rescue them from their
plight and non-thinking via luck and chance. And it is almost impossible to carry on a rational
conversation with them, let alone a mathematical or scientific one. For with every sentence they will
evoke their faith in the impossible, if given enough time. And when that time frame oesn't work, they
extend it from not just millions of years but to billions and now trillions of years. Their evolutionary
goddess in their opinion is just so slow, she needs time to do her divine mutations and more time to
select because of her lack of foreknowledge.

And yet, they are so deeply in love with their goddess and their religion of Evolution, that's it hard to
break her spell over them. They try to say its a science of luck and chance rather than laws and design,
but their faith has no connection to the real world. And sadly there is usually no way to bring them out
of their religious dementia and lack of thinking, and yet as Christian scientists, who believe in logic and
reason and facts and the real created world, we have to try.


In my opinion

David Jay Jordan



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