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21-08-2015, 03:13 AM (This post was last modified: 21-08-2015 03:37 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
Well, I'm bored, so fuck you...

(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Evolution is a religion because it is based on Faith and Hope in the unknown and unseen.

Faith
noun

1 - Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

2 - Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.


Your first sentence belies a complete misunderstanding (possibly unintentional, but most likely purposeful) of the scientific method, philosophical naturalism, the evaluation of evidence, and the theory of evolution.

Our confidence in a theory is entirely dependent upon the strength of the evidence in support of a theory, unfortunately for you the theory of evolution is one of the most studied fields, and is supported by suck a preponderance of evidence as to make it one of the strongest (if not the strongest) theories in all of science. More evidence attests to evolution than does germ theory (even after curing polio and riding the world of small pox), atomic theory (even with fusion bombs and nuclear power-plants), or gravity (even with out ability to launch a rocket to intercept a comet and land a rover on it).

Evidence for evolution includes, but is not limited to...

- Comparative Anatomy
- Embryology & Development
- The Fossil Record
- DNA & Genetics
- Observed Evolution
- The Predictive Power of the Theory
- Nested Hierarchy of Traits



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  It's followers firmly believe with all their heart and soul that their God of evolutionary chance and luck has created them, and they couldn't care less if there is no evidence to support it because they have absolute trust in their Diety called, Evolution.

It's not faith if you have evidence.

Evolution has a metric fuck ton of evidence.

Ergo this statement of opinion is nothing more than argument form ignorance.

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
-Christopher Hitchens

So unless you have some evidence to back up your baseless assertions (ProTip: you won't, because of the aforementioned preponderance of evidence already listed above), we can dismiss your statement as nothing more than the vapid ramblings of abject ignorance.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  And although, they have never seen her nor talked with her...

Is this still your poor strawman allusion to the deification of evolutionary theory? Well, you inadvertently almost got something right, females are the basis of sexual reproduction.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  ...but still they just believe and encourage one another in their worship services whether at university, or coffee shops, or even on-line.

Worship service? If going to class, getting an education, or having a conversation online is a 'worship service', then everything qualifies as a 'worship service'. You've effectively neutered the entire concept of 'worship' into meaninglessness, bravo.

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(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  They usually can't explain exactly when they believe, and so direct questions about their faith, to their white coated high priests called scientists.

When one has evidence, one does not need faith.

Evolution is not a faith based stance, it is one rooted firm in demonstrable evidence.

Too bad for you that you're so incredibly ignorant of that fact. But just because you base your world view of faith, doesn't magically make evolutionary theory a 'faith based proposition' you incredulous dipshit.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  And therefore, religious evolutionists are usually completely ignorant and innocent of the facts of real science and just base their beliefs and their love and devotion on the opinions of others.

Everyone has opinions, but you fail to realize the significant difference between the informed opinion of an expert (like an evolutionary biologist, a paleontologist, geneticist, anthropologist, etc.) and an uninformed or misinformed opinion, the likes of which you hold vis-à-vis evolutionary theory.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  So in this way, they shut down all their mental reasoning and just follow the flow of
their congregations.

We follow the evidence, it just so happens to point us in the direction of natural descent with modification through natural selection to the exclusion of other alternative hypothesis; so please stop trying to conflate your baseless assertions with well founded reasoning and an evidence based approach.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  preaching to the converted. And so without thinking, they become scientific
religious groupies, without any individualistic thinking among them. For none are allowed to disagree with their basic premise and dogma under the penalty of ex-communincation from their hallowed halls of the religious faithful.

Fuck you, Galileo disagreed with religious dogma and they killed him for it.

Einstein disagreed with the consensus of his time, and with sufficient evidence to back him up, he won a Nobel Prize you stupid fuck.

If there was anyone around who could present evidence for an alternative theory that better explained all of the evidence we have better than our current theory of evolution, that scientist would be a legend in their own time, granted the highest honors and revered among his peers. But by the very nature of falsification and the scientific method, every scientist in every field that might even be tangentially related to evolutionary theory has been testing it in an effort to disprove it for the last 150+ years; they've all failed to do so. It's one of the reasons why we are so confident in the theory.

Darwin had no knowledge of genetic, and the discovery of the means of transferring traits from one generation to the next could very well have undone Darwin's theory. Instead genetics were discovered to have dovetailed beautifully with the theory, helping to expand our understanding of the mechanisms that help shape evolution; like sexual selection, epigenetics, and genetic drift.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Few have ever questioned their faith and so the majority get quite upset, if you even suggest the most basic questions to them, as it shatters their dreams and illusions.

You're so ignorant, you don't even know what the questions are, so please spare us your melodramatics. Drinking Beverage


(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  They pretend to have evidence but when asked what it is, they become very evasive and non-committal, saying it is a "given" of their religion.

It's not a 'given', you have been supplied with more evidence that would be reasonable required for anyone who didn't come to the table with bias against evolution, but it's quite clear you're anything but an unbiased observer.


(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  They are extreme fundamentalists that have isolated themselves from the reality of this world whether in science, spirituality, or even with life itself.

Science is the study of reality, so this sentence literally makes zero sense.

"They are extreme fundamentalists that have isolated themselves from the reality of this world whether in the study of reality..."

Does that sound stupid? It should, because it is stupid, because it was spouted from someone who is stupid and has no clue what they are talking about.

You are stupid, and your every sentence digs you further into that hole.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  They pin all their hopes and dreams upon Evolution's mysterious unexplainable ways and means which will somehow, someway rescue them from their plight and non-thinking via luck and chance.

Nope. Your assumptions are so out of touch with reality, they're not even wrong.

Not even wrong refers to any statement, argument or explanation that can be neither correct nor incorrect, because it fails to meet the criteria by which correctness and incorrectness are determined. As a more formal fallacy, it refers to the fine art of generating an ostensibly "correct" conclusion, but from premises known to be wrong or inapplicable.

The phrase implies that not only is someone not making a valid point in a discussion, but they don't even understand the nature
of the discussion itself, or the things that need to be understood in order to participate.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  And it is almost impossible to carry on a rational conversation with them, let alone a mathematical or scientific one.

So how do you propose to talk about evolutionary theory when you haven't the slightest fucking idea what evolutionary theory is?

You're putting the cart before the horse, and looking around at everyone else like we're the idiots and the reason why your cart isn't moving...



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  For with every sentence they will evoke their faith in the impossible, if given enough time. And when that time frame doesn't work, they extend it from not just millions of years but to billions and now trillions of years.

The age of the observable universe has fuck all to do with evolution by natural selection, and if you want an accurate estimate you consult an astrophysicist, and they'll tell you that the best evidence currently available to us dates the universe to some 13.772 billion years. Geologists and physicists place the age of the Earth at about 4.543 billion years based on our current evidence.

The only people who think the universe has existed for trillions of years are Scientologist, which is a religious cult founded by an fiction author; they are by no means expert scientists.

Another point to note is that all conclusions in science are provincial, because they are dependent upon the evidence. As we get more evidence and more accurate data, our conclusion can and do change, in fact we expect them to. Only religions claim to deal in 'absolute truth'.



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Their evolutionary goddess in their opinion is just so slow, she needs time to do her divine mutations and more time to select because of her lack of foreknowledge.

"Richard Feynman used to go up to people all the time and he'd say "You won't believe what happened to me today... you won't believe what happened to me" and people would say "What?" and he'd say "Absolutely nothing". Because we humans believe that everything that happens to us is special and significant. And that — and Carl Sagan wrote beautifully about that in The Demon-Haunted World — that is much of the source of religion. Everything that happens is unusual and I expect that the likelihood that Richard and I ever would've met. If you think about all the variables: the probability that we were in the same place at the same time, ate breakfast the same. Whatever. It's zero. Every event that happens has small probability... but it happens and then when it happens; if it's weird, if you dream one million nights and it's nonsense but one night you dream that your friend is gonna break his leg and the next day he breaks his arm... *sound of revelation* So the real thing that physics tell us about the universe is that it's big, rare events happen all the time — including life — and that doesn't mean it's special."
-"A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  And yet, they are so deeply in love with their goddess and their religion of Evolution, that's it hard to break her spell over them.

This is how religions start, when the ignorant replace their doubts with unfounded belief, when they anthropocentrize their ignorance and give it both a name and agency.

That is not science, that is not evolutionary theory; it is your own ignorant fever dream bullshit. Have fun beating up your strawmen...



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  They try to say its a science of luck and chance rather than laws and design,
but their faith has no connection to the real world.

There is no faith, not in the sense you and the religious use it (faith being belief without evidence, or in the face of contradictory evidence).



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  And sadly there is usually no way to bring them out of their religious dementia and lack of thinking, and yet as Christian scientists, who believe in logic and
reason and facts and the real created world, we have to try.

Christian scientists?

Oh, you mean like Francis Collins (head of the Human Genome Project) and Kenneth Miller (cell/molecular bioligst teaching at Brown Universtiy, star witness in Kitzmiller V. Dover Area School District trial), both devout believers and staunch defenders of evolutionary theory?



(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  In my opinion

David Jay Jordan



Whats your opinion..... ?

You're an ignorant hack that doesn't even know enough to start asking the right questions. You're entire post is nothing but strawmen, projection, false equivocation, and arguments from ignorance and incredulity.

You fundamentally lack the knowledge to talk about this subject whatsoever. I'd just as soon ask a high-school janitor to reconcile quantum mechanics and relativity, he'd be at least as well informed as you, and quite possibly more so. You're level of confident ignorance would be truly staggering, if it were not such a depressingly common thing to see from the few theists that come by with the same stick up their asses and want to go pick a fight with some heathens.

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21-08-2015, 03:17 AM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(21-08-2015 02:35 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  p^2 + 2pq + q^2 = 1

Can you be a peach and without using the numbers 0-9 or using the words frequency or equation or population, explain it to me?

to make it easier for you to understand, explain it as if I have no idea how to do do basic math like fractions, little idea how converting decimals into fractions and things like order of operations and exponents are really hard for me!

You know, treat me like a math retard!


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21-08-2015, 03:26 AM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 05:35 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Yes Evolution is a mere unproven theory and that does not qualify it as a Science, it is just a religion that millions are forced into submitting to...

Science was created by the Lord, it did not creat itself, neither did laws creat themselves and balance themselves out, until new laws evolved to harmonize with old laws... etc etc...

Explosions did not creat the design we see and can prove in every living creature.

But we should allow the adherrants of evolution to speak their peace and espouse their religion, even if they have nothing to back it up.

I shall shortly post the DESIGN that proves a DESIGNER.

Its math, its science, its rational, its proveable.

You mean like wisdom teeth, tonsils, the appendix, our shoddy immune system . . .

All that intelligent design right in front of my stuffy nose!

You do realize that theories in science are not theories until they are proven with evidence? Otherwise they are just a hypothesis. . .

Damn theory of gravity trying to keep me down . . .

I'm not wasting anymore time with you because you are either a troll, or just dense and willfully delusional

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21-08-2015, 04:08 AM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
Sometimes I wonder if TTA is just the 21st century version of a Victorian freak show. But instead of going off to poke fun at the mentally disturbed and simpletons incarcerated in cages, we let them come to us.
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21-08-2015, 04:28 AM
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(21-08-2015 04:08 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Sometimes I wonder if TTA is just the 21st century version of a Victorian freak show. But instead of going off to poke fun at the mentally disturbed and simpletons incarcerated in cages, we let them come to us.

We do get more than our share of freaks. Like this fool.
But we get more than our share of guests.
When we destroy their delusional little bubbles, (as EK did above), all the guests see how easy it is to deal with bullshit such as this OP. Theist fools, such as David-to-be-a-mocking-Jay, actually do atheism a favor, coming here, posting their bullshit.

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21-08-2015, 04:58 AM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(21-08-2015 01:26 AM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  
(21-08-2015 12:08 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  By the way, though the book is quite a bit old and thus outdated in terms of all we've learned about genetics in the last almost 40 years, Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene is an excellent guide to how DNA mutations work and interact with the other systems, as well as how the thousands of competing genes and the inheritance thereof influence evolution.

It's commonly mistaken as a title; people think it means "there is a gene for selfishness", but in fact he's referring to the fact that genes don't care about higher principles, they're just trying to get reproduced, so to speak.

Got ya again Rocket... there are no genes that dictate altruistic behaviors.... its a CHOICE given to each individual human. Yes, devoid genetics want to find genes they can manipulate so they can control the population via their vile genetic control.... the Nazis tried that one, but their superior race failed, but genetics and man is still trying and still trying to manipulate the perfect human...

But this time they are not waiting millions of years but are literally trying to transmutate and labratory wise change genes to try and develop their new Frankenstien monsters who they say will be better than the old humans.

Thanks for again confirming that genetics aim is control and manipulation.
Your reply does not address anything that RocketSurgeon said. Did you understand any of his points?
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21-08-2015, 05:02 AM (This post was last modified: 21-08-2015 05:07 AM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 04:55 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  Evolution is a religion because it is based on Faith and Hope in the unknown and unseen. It's followers
firmly believe with all their heart and soul that their God of evolutionary chance and luck has created
them, and they couldn't care less if there is no evidence to support it because they have absolute trust in
their Diety called, Evolution.

And although, they have never seen her nor talked with her, but still they just believe and encourage
one another in their worship services whether at university, or coffee shops, or even on-line. They
usually can't explain exactly when they believe, and so direct questions about their faith, to their white
coated high priests called scientists. And therefore, religious evolutionists are usually completely ignorant
and innocent of the facts of real science and just base their beliefs and their love and devotion on the
opinions of others. So in this way, they shut down all their mental reasoning and just follow the flow of
their congregations. preaching to the converted. And so without thinking, they become scientific
religious groupies, without any individualistic thinking among them. For none are allowed to disagree
with their basic premise and dogma under the penalty of ex-communincation from their hallowed halls of
the religious faithful.

Few have ever questioned their faith and so the majority get quite upset, if you even suggest the most
basic questions to them, as it shatters their dreams and illusions. They pretend to have evidence but
when asked what it is, they become very evasive and non-committal, saying it is a "given" of their
religion.

They are extreme fundamentalists that have isolated themselves from the reality of this world whether
in science, spirituality, or even with life itself. They pin all their hopes and dreams upon Evolution's
mysterious unexplainable ways and means which will somehow, someway rescue them from their
plight and non-thinking via luck and chance. And it is almost impossible to carry on a rational
conversation with them, let alone a mathematical or scientific one. For with every sentence they will
evoke their faith in the impossible, if given enough time. And when that time frame oesn't work, they
extend it from not just millions of years but to billions and now trillions of years. Their evolutionary
goddess in their opinion is just so slow, she needs time to do her divine mutations and more time to
select because of her lack of foreknowledge.

And yet, they are so deeply in love with their goddess and their religion of Evolution, that's it hard to
break her spell over them. They try to say its a science of luck and chance rather than laws and design,
but their faith has no connection to the real world. And sadly there is usually no way to bring them out
of their religious dementia and lack of thinking, and yet as Christian scientists, who believe in logic and
reason and facts and the real created world, we have to try.


In my opinion

David Jay Jordan



Whats your opinion..... ?

Aw I am late to the thread Weeping

and it is Friday and I have plans involving family coming in, however, I would love to engage you in a debate on evolution. Yes

To be honest, I haven't even read through the thread yet, I glanced at your OP, giggled at the absurdity, and made this reply. Now as you are pages deep into your ass beating by everyone else, if you want to enter a one on one debate, where no one else can reply, we have an area called the boxing ring. I won't clutter that up with an unanswered challenge, so if you have the testicular fortitude to enter intelligent discourse on the subject of evolution, or your incorrect assertion that atheism is a religion, or that evolution is our religion, or any other delusional and misinformed posits you may have, challenge me. I would love to watch you struggle to substantiate, validate and articulate your views.

You came to our little forum for a reason, you clearly feel strongly about your worldview, or your perspective on atheism or evolutionism, so come on, bring your A game. Don't run away, man up and take your schooling like a good boy. I KNOW I can substantiate my world view, can you?

Step 1. click here:
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Start a thread there, "Davidjayjordan challenges goodwithoutgod to a debate on evolutionism (or atheism, or both, whatever you want to be educated on)".

Step 3.
I will be there Smile

Disclaimer: becareful what you ask for, having ones worldview eviscerated publicly can be a humiliating experience, but I guarantee you this, you will learn from the experience.

....waiting with bated breath.

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21-08-2015, 05:27 AM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
Wait, the argument was "patterns exist in the human body, therefore God?"

I'm willing to bet I have a better understanding of math and geology than you do, and I'm going to tell you that is bullshit. Tiny secret I'll let you in on, math is all arbitrary. All of it. We made it up. If there are cool patterns it is because we are pattern seeking animals. That's all.

I'm not going to argue the biology, since I opted out of biology class when my advisor told me it was a weeding out course for med school. I can argue against the "great flood" bull that you posted a while back. It baffles me when we see rocks that were formed slowly laid over rocks that formed quickly how people can argue that everything was laid down in one catastrophic event. What about intrusive rocks? Faults in rocks that don't go through all the layers? Magnetic bands in the ocean floor?

I'm not a scientist, but an engineer. As an engineer I would like to say that what we see around us is shit design. It is shit. Almost all the water is unsafe to drink, and only a small fraction of the drinkable water is available for use, and of that a huge amount of that is contaminated by disease. Shit design. Trillions of planets and trillions of trillions of miles of space that are deadly to people while only a minority off places on our planet are fit to live? Shit design. Knees that give out? Shit design. Babies with heads so big they pull apart the bones of their mother's pelvis? Shit design. I could go on.
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21-08-2015, 05:32 AM
RE: Evolution is a psuedoscience, myth, and simply just a religion
(20-08-2015 07:11 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 06:56 PM)Esquilax Wrote:  Have you read any biology books that actually pertain to the subject of evolution? If so, then you're lying when you say there's no evidence for evolution: whether you agree with the evidence or not, you could hardly have read a book on evolution and come out with the opinion that there's no evidence at all.

And if you haven't read any books on evolution, then don't you think you should do that before disagreeing with the subject?

I know the fallacies and errors and misconceptions and huge missing links and GAPS of evolution,

No, you don't. If you have not actually studied evolution and actualy looked at the evidence, you can't possibly have any rational basis for this statement.

Quote:any thinking person soon realises it is a mere theory

You do not understand what a scientific theory is. Saying "mere theory" demonstrates your execrable ignorance.

Quote:and a very poor one at that. Hence it is a religion that has to force people into its pews, and bring them into total mental submission

Submission? How is that good for anyone but the oppressor?

Quote:and total denial of the dementia that passes as a science.

The only dementia evident is yours and other religious nuts'.

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21-08-2015, 05:37 AM
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Another theist clown and freak show continues.Facepalm

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