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03-11-2011, 10:00 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point
(02-11-2011 12:14 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  So, your original statement implies we need some mechanism to obtain information about the creation, despite the fact that god was there and could have told us more than what he did.

My point was that what we observe supports the idea of a creator.

Quote:You are aware of the fact that no one here believes that the creation is true or possible, right?

And that belief affects how you interpret the facts you observe. Much of the evidence cited in support of evolution can be explained equally well by the Biblical account of creation but if you don't believe in a creator your beliefs will force you to reject such explanations.

Quote:The natural laws of the universe do not apply to supernatural phenomenon (like god or the creation) and therefore any proposed supernatural event is not only unlikely but as far as we know it is impossible. And a separate natural explanation for the beginning of the universe, the origin of our solar system, the origin of Earth, the origin of life, the evolution of all life from a common ancestor, etc, etc all fall within the realm of natural explanations.

But can you prove that those natural explanations are true? There is no way to test them. I don't deny the existence of natural laws. I simply believe that it was God who established them in the first place.

Quote:You put forth archaic ideas that violate the laws of nature and require "faith." That is, they require belief without evidence. So, in your search for evidence, are you not violating your faith? That is, by looking for evidence you are confirming your doubt about the bible.

Christian faith does not mean belief without evidence. It means believing in something strongly enough that you are willing to live your entire life on the belief that it is true. You are obviously so convinced that there is no God that you base everything you do on that belief. What you are doing is exercising faith according to the Biblical meaning of the word.

It seems to me that both of us have the same kind of faith. The only difference is the object of that faith. I believe that there is a God who created the universe and you believe that the existence of the universe can be explained without the existence of a creator.

God's invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.
Romans 1:20 ESV

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Evolution's starting point - theophilus - 01-11-2011, 10:09 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - lucradis - 01-11-2011, 10:45 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 01-11-2011, 10:46 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - Thammuz - 01-11-2011, 11:11 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 02-11-2011, 02:52 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - Mr Woof - 02-11-2011, 03:26 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 02-11-2011, 03:46 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - Mr Woof - 03-11-2011, 01:06 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 03-11-2011, 01:34 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - Thammuz - 03-11-2011, 02:01 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - Denicio - 03-11-2011, 01:26 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - Organon - 03-11-2011, 06:46 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - theophilus - 03-11-2011 10:00 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 03-11-2011, 11:02 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - free2011 - 02-11-2011, 06:47 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - lucradis - 03-11-2011, 11:48 AM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 03-11-2011, 12:32 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 03-11-2011, 02:21 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - Denicio - 03-11-2011, 02:35 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 03-11-2011, 03:02 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 08-11-2011, 02:30 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - morondog - 09-11-2011, 12:23 PM
RE: Evolution's starting point - lucradis - 09-11-2011, 11:27 AM
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