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21-01-2013, 06:31 AM (This post was last modified: 21-01-2013 06:36 AM by Hafnof.)
RE: Existence after mortal death...
I'm wondering if you are trying to understand, or trying to be difficult. The brain is analogous to a motor engine as you say. The brain when it is active and alive is producing electricity and waste heat. Humans have effective cooling mechanisms in place to exhaust this waste heat. Like a radiator in a car our sweat and various skull cavities cool the engine. Like a fan in a computer our sweat and various cavities cool the CPU.

The batteries that supply energy for work in the brain are things like glucose, oxygen, ATP etc - chemicals stored in cells and chemicals transferred from food through the bloodstream. These are used by cells to drive the required chemical activity. When we stop eating, when the blood stops delivering molecules to be consumed, and when the cells run out of the chemicals they need they fail to operate further and they die. Our bodies can survive a certain rate and quantity of cell death but when many fail at the same time the systems that they make up also fail. When they fail and die, we fail and die.

This isn't difficult to understand. Do you find it hard to understand what happens to a plant when we kill it and eat it? Do you find it hard to understand what happens to a lobster when we kill it and eat it? When you die the remaining chemical energy within your body is consumed by fungus, bacteria, perhaps some larger creatures, and perhaps the flames of the crematorium. Where did your energy go? Where did your heat go? It went into the creatures that ate your body. It went into the heat given off by your funeral pyre. That chemical energy became part of another generation of life (approximately 10% of your calorific value will become part of your consumers' calorific value). That heat was radiated or conducted into the atmosphere and into the earth.

If you are interested in what science knows about this process then by all means ask and learn about it. If you are not interested in the process and your questions are rhetorical (nobody knows what happens!!) then asking won't relieve your ignorance. If you understand what we know and are asking deeper probing questions about what else might be true beyond what we know then by all means speculate about what else might be true, but speculate also about how you would test what you think might be true.

This is science:
* Come up with good ideas
* Figure out how they could be wrong
* Test them to see if you could prove them wrong
* Modify or throw away the ideas that are definitely wrong
* Repeat until your ideas make inerrant predictions for cases we commonly deal with, and most alternative ideas have been proven false. Whatever's left is good enough to call scientific knowledge.

This is not science:
* Come up with good ideas
* Cherry-pick facts and data that you feel support your idea while ignoring facts that don't fit your model
* Discuss provably false ideas with like-minded individuals while patting yourselves on the back for being deep and for thinking things that other people aren't thinking.
These things can be good in their own way, but you're not on the path to scientific knowledge until they lead to ideas that are consistent with known facts and which make new unexpected predictions you can prove false. You must eventually find a way to show that your explanation is at least as good as current scientific knowledge at explaining known facts and also produces surprising additional predictions that contradict the current scientific knowledge but turn out to be accurate.

One should not cut off a brainstorming ideas session too early - yes that inhibits science. However, a brainstorming session that only produces unfalsifiable ideas, a brainstorming session that produces only ideas that contradict known facts - these are not a path to scientific knowledge - and ignoring what science knows about the world is simply a path to deeper ignorance.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 13-01-2013, 09:27 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 14-01-2013, 01:22 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 14-01-2013, 01:56 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 14-01-2013, 02:07 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 14-01-2013, 02:12 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 14-01-2013, 02:29 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 14-01-2013, 07:36 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 15-01-2013, 06:43 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 08:03 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 20-01-2013, 05:20 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 08:45 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 10:48 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 11:01 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 11:21 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 21-01-2013, 08:19 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Hafnof - 21-01-2013 06:31 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 21-01-2013, 04:05 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 21-01-2013, 05:25 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 22-01-2013, 01:50 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 22-01-2013, 01:39 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 22-01-2013, 08:27 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 24-01-2013, 01:31 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 24-01-2013, 02:05 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 07:58 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 09:35 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 12:26 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 04:10 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 27-01-2013, 12:15 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 22-01-2013, 05:43 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 23-01-2013, 07:40 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 23-01-2013, 06:13 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 26-01-2013, 04:20 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 27-01-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 27-01-2013, 04:25 PM
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