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26-01-2013, 12:02 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death...
(26-01-2013 09:37 AM)Luminon Wrote:  We can have a conversation, but we can't have a discussion.

What's the difference?

(26-01-2013 09:37 AM)Luminon Wrote:  You'd be either totally off the subject (it has nothing to do with memory)

It has everything to do with memory. You throw around phrases like "in my experience" and "I had a nice series of mystical and occult experiences in recent weeks" - those are memories. Anything you are not experiencing, right here, right now, right this second, is a memory. And as I mentioned in my last post, our brain edits our memories. It edits them right at the moment we're 'storing' them in our brain, and re-edits them over time like an artist repeatedly playing with Photoshop.

We especially do this when we're creating or editing a memory to make it fit into our expectations. A classical example of this is the people who go to see a magic show where the magician gives the illusion that he reads minds. We all know he doesn't, it's just his act. But what we see him do and hear him say gets stored in our brains as an edited memory. Once it's in our brain, we Photoshop it even more. Later we tell our friends about it but what we tell them is the edited version. Even when we try to remember it ourselves, we only remember the edited version with no internal proof that it's edited and no way to restore the actual original event - but when we watch a video that was filmed during that same show, we find ourselves saying things like "wow, I don't remember that" or "Yeah, I remember that but I thought it happened a little differently".

(26-01-2013 09:37 AM)Luminon Wrote:  I'd go on using my senses as I do for the last 20 years, I'd be a liar.

You have the same senses as all of us. Nothing more, nothing less (unless you are blind or deaf or otherwise have some kind of impaired sense, then it might be somewhat less). Your senses work like ours. Your eyes, for instance, pick up light reflected off of objects around you. Photoreceptors in your eye turn that image into electricity which travels through your optic nerve to your brain. Your brain does not store this image, but it does store the electrical pattern in the synapses (kind of like how a computer disk doesn't store an image but instead it stores a magnetic impression of 1s and 0s that can be reformed into an image by Photoshop, etc.).

That stored electrical pattern is your brain's only impression of the image your eye saw, and it's already editing and modifying that electrical pattern from the moment it receives it. Your brain does this to better store it, with links and triggers to help remember it at the right times in the future - memory.

We have no choice but to rely on this. Even though I know my brain is playing tricks on me, I am unable to distinguish between the trick and the reality so I rely on the trick to be as real as possible because that's all I have. That's all you have. We have to rely on it.

But that doesn't mean that we must be ignorant of it. We can be aware of what our brain does. We can therefore apply this awareness skeptically to our own memories and admit that things might not have gone exactly the way we remember it.

And we can certainly stop saying things like "nobody can convince me". If we're honest.

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RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 13-01-2013, 09:27 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 14-01-2013, 01:22 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 14-01-2013, 01:56 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 14-01-2013, 02:07 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 14-01-2013, 02:12 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 14-01-2013, 02:29 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 14-01-2013, 07:36 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 15-01-2013, 06:43 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 08:03 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Dom - 20-01-2013, 05:20 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 08:45 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 10:48 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 11:01 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 20-01-2013, 11:21 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 21-01-2013, 08:19 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 21-01-2013, 04:05 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 21-01-2013, 05:25 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 22-01-2013, 01:50 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 22-01-2013, 01:39 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 22-01-2013, 08:27 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 24-01-2013, 01:31 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 24-01-2013, 02:05 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 07:58 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 09:35 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 12:26 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 25-01-2013, 04:10 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 27-01-2013, 12:15 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 22-01-2013, 05:43 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 23-01-2013, 07:40 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 23-01-2013, 06:13 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 26-01-2013, 04:20 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Aseptic Skeptic - 26-01-2013 12:02 PM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - Chas - 27-01-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Existence after mortal death... - amyb - 27-01-2013, 04:25 PM
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