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16-11-2016, 11:03 AM
Face it...
..."progressives" lost! I am a highly-education atheist from a prestigious university; my Ph.D. is in economics, and I am a woman. I'm also a Trump voter. Why? because Hillary's economic policies would absolutely devastate the economy to a greater extent than Obama's policies already have. He will repeal and replace a healthcare law that is a disaster. He will reduce taxes, both for corporations (we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world) and for individuals He will rebuild the military, which has been devastated by Obama. He will fix a crumbling infrastructure.

These policies are not "racist", "homophobic", "bigoted", "mysoginistic", "Islamophobic", or "xenophobic"; they are policies that will benefit the entire nation. I have not been able to grasp why most atheists are liberals; the only politically reasonable atheists I know read, study, and admire Objectivism (Ayn Rand).

Who are the Trump voters? People who are educated like myself (and a woman too), Latinos in higher numbers than Romney, blacks in higher numbers than Romney got, mainstream Republicans, and -- here is the big one -- Democrats who voted for Obama but flipped for Trump. It's not just "Uncle Ned" (thank you Darrel Ray) who shows up to Thanksgiving dinner gloating that Trump won.

Why don't you all quit freaking out and give him a chance? I've never seen people so unhinged over the results of an election. Are you that mentally unstable?

Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2
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16-11-2016, 11:15 AM (This post was last modified: 16-11-2016 01:28 PM by Grasshopper.)
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(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  ..."progressives" lost! I am a highly-education atheist from a prestigious university; my Ph.D. is in economics, and I am a woman. I'm also a Trump voter. Why? because Hillary's economic policies would absolutely devastate the economy to a greater extent than Obama's policies already have. He will repeal and replace a healthcare law that is a disaster. He will reduce taxes, both for corporations (we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world) and for individuals He will rebuild the military, which has been devastated by Obama. He will fix a crumbling infrastructure.

These policies are not "racist", "homophobic", "bigoted", "mysoginistic", "Islamophobic", or "xenophobic"; they are policies that will benefit the entire nation. I have not been able to grasp why most atheists are liberals; the only politically reasonable atheists I know read, study, and admire Objectivism (Ayn Rand).

Who are the Trump voters? People who are educated like myself (and a woman too), Latinos in higher numbers than Romney, blacks in higher numbers than Romney got, mainstream Republicans, and -- here is the big one -- Democrats who voted for Obama but flipped for Trump. It's not just "Uncle Ned" (thank you Darrel Ray) who shows up to Thanksgiving dinner gloating that Trump won.

Why don't you all quit freaking out and give him a chance? I've never seen people so unhinged over the results of an election. Are you that mentally unstable?

Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2

I have the same attitude toward the new administration as I do toward religion: I'll believe that you're "reasonable" as soon as as you demonstrate that you're reasonable. Neither Trump nor Pence has even taken a baby step in that direction yet. Trump has done nothing but try to offend as many people as possible, and Pence is a fucking creationist theocrat. Why would you expect any atheist to support him?

If the new administration actually does good things for America (all of America, not just rich white Christian males), I will applaud them. But I'm not holding my breath.

As for Ayn Rand and "Objectivism" -- she was a third-rate hack novelist who dabbled in philosophy. Her "philosophy" is laughably simplistic.
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16-11-2016, 11:38 AM
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Well, now I'm convinced. Drinking Beverage
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16-11-2016, 11:40 AM
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(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  ..."progressives" lost! I am a highly-education atheist from a prestigious university; my Ph.D. is in economics, and I am a woman. I'm also a Trump voter. Why? because Hillary's economic policies would absolutely devastate the economy to a greater extent than Obama's policies already have. He will repeal and replace a healthcare law that is a disaster. He will reduce taxes, both for corporations (we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world) and for individuals He will rebuild the military, which has been devastated by Obama. He will fix a crumbling infrastructure.

These policies are not "racist", "homophobic", "bigoted", "mysoginistic", "Islamophobic", or "xenophobic"; they are policies that will benefit the entire nation. I have not been able to grasp why most atheists are liberals; the only politically reasonable atheists I know read, study, and admire Objectivism (Ayn Rand).

Who are the Trump voters? People who are educated like myself (and a woman too), Latinos in higher numbers than Romney, blacks in higher numbers than Romney got, mainstream Republicans, and -- here is the big one -- Democrats who voted for Obama but flipped for Trump. It's not just "Uncle Ned" (thank you Darrel Ray) who shows up to Thanksgiving dinner gloating that Trump won.

Why don't you all quit freaking out and give him a chance? I've never seen people so unhinged over the results of an election. Are you that mentally unstable?

Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2

I'm not "freaking out" I am saddened that most of his closest advisors and team are people who believe that evolution by natural selection hasn't been proven and people haven't influenced global climate change, and you can pray away the gay.

But there seems to be a weird vibe at the end of your post to "just let it happen", which I'm not sure I understand.

If you think you'll be paying less in taxes, well i wouldn't hold your breath on that one. If you think that getting rid of the affordable healthcare act will lower costs for your medical coverage...now you live in fantasyland.

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16-11-2016, 11:45 AM
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(16-11-2016 11:15 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  ..."progressives" lost! I am a highly-education atheist from a prestigious university; my Ph.D. is in economics, and I am a woman. I'm also a Trump voter. Why? because Hillary's economic policies would absolutely devastate the economy to a greater extent than Obama's policies already have. He will repeal and replace a healthcare law that is a disaster. He will reduce taxes, both for corporations (we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world) and for individuals He will rebuild the military, which has been devastated by Obama. He will fix a crumbling infrastructure.

These policies are not "racist", "homophobic", "bigoted", "mysoginistic", "Islamophobic", or "xenophobic"; they are policies that will benefit the entire nation. I have not been able to grasp why most atheists are liberals; the only politically reasonable atheists I know read, study, and admire Objectivism (Ayn Rand).

Who are the Trump voters? People who are educated like myself (and a woman too), Latinos in higher numbers than Romney, blacks in higher numbers than Romney got, mainstream Republicans, and -- here is the big one -- Democrats who voted for Obama but flipped for Trump. It's not just "Uncle Ned" (thank you Darrel Ray) who shows up to Thanksgiving dinner gloating that Trump won.

Why don't you all quit freaking out and give him a chance? I've never seen people so unhinged over the results of an election. Are you that mentally unstable?

Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2

I have the same attitude toward the new administration as I do toward religion: I'll believe that you're "reasonable" as soon as as you demonstrate that you're reasonable. Neither Trump nor Pence has even taken a baby step in that direction yet. Trump has done nothing but try to offend as many people as possible, and Pence is a fucking creationist theocrat. Why would you expect any atheist to support him?

If the new administration actually does good things for America (all of America, not just rich white Christian males), I will applaud them. But I'm not holding my breath.

As for Ayn Rand and "Objectivism" -- she was a third-rate hack novelist who dabbled in philosophy. Her "philosophy" is laughable simplistic.
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16-11-2016, 11:53 AM
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(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  ..."progressives" lost! I am a highly-education atheist from a prestigious university; my Ph.D. is in economics, and I am a woman. I'm also a Trump voter. Why? because Hillary's economic policies would absolutely devastate the economy to a greater extent than Obama's policies already have. He will repeal and replace a healthcare law that is a disaster. He will reduce taxes, both for corporations (we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world) and for individuals He will rebuild the military, which has been devastated by Obama. He will fix a crumbling infrastructure.
Recent history has shown that the economy tends to do worse under Republicans. Have you already forgotten the 2 Bushes? Do you honestly think the economy is worse today than it was when G.W. Bush finished with it? Obama has made the economy better (despite every effort from the opposition to shut him down) and yet you complain that it's bad. I hear so much whining about healthcare costs from Obamacare, but everyone knew it was going to be more costly before it evened out. Also, what's wrong with making it better instead of eliminating it entirely? Part of the reason for it's problems, by the way, is because Obama had to give in to right-wing modifications that made it a whole lot different than he originally planned it to be. And the political right still fought him tooth and nail before it was passed. Those who complain about the cost are simply looking at their own paychecks and completely overlooking the savings to taxpayers in the form of costs not incurred by people who have no health insurance - which is huge!

Taxes, taxes, taxes. That and no gun control are the main platform from the right ad nauseum. When wealthy people like Donald Trump start paying any taxes (never mind simply fair share!), then we can discuss taxes. Dodgy

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  These policies are not "racist", "homophobic", "bigoted", "mysoginistic", "Islamophobic", or "xenophobic"; they are policies that will benefit the entire nation. I have not been able to grasp why most atheists are liberals; the only politically reasonable atheists I know read, study, and admire Objectivism (Ayn Rand).
No one said "these policies" are. Trump is, and it remains to see how that translates into policies. Meanwhile, it's frankly appalling that people like you aren't at all disturbed by having a sexual predator and his ex-porn model wife as the first couple of the country. Great role models for our children! Sad

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  Who are the Trump voters? People who are educated like myself (and a woman too), Latinos in higher numbers than Romney, blacks in higher numbers than Romney got, mainstream Republicans, and -- here is the big one -- Democrats who voted for Obama but flipped for Trump. It's not just "Uncle Ned" (thank you Darrel Ray) who shows up to Thanksgiving dinner gloating that Trump won.
I see you've heard some talking points. The more relevant fact is that far more Latinos and Blacks voted for Clinton than Trump. Who cares how it compares with Romney? Yes about Democrats that flipped, but those appear to be more anti-Clinton than pro-Trump so it's still no evidence for how "great" your candidate is.

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  Why don't you all quit freaking out and give him a chance? I've never seen people so unhinged over the results of an election. Are you that mentally unstable?
Maybe you should be asking yourself why you've never seen people so unhinged. Drinking Beverage

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2
Yes, sit back and take your abuse quietly. It's much easier for the abusers that way. How dare you complain about the pain. Just shut up already. Rolleyes

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16-11-2016, 11:57 AM
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Hello! Big Grin

First off the bat, I'm not an American. I'm an outsider looking in.

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(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  ..."progressives" lost! I am a highly-education atheist from a prestigious university; my Ph.D. is in economics, and I am a woman.

Thumbsup Good for you! Congratulations! Big Grin

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  I'm also a Trump voter. Why? because Hillary's economic policies would absolutely devastate the economy

I believe there's a little image/gif which goes along the lines of "Citation needed".

I would like even a brief group of reasons, thoughts or hypothesis as to 'Why" Mrs Hillary's policies would do/involve/create such please.

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  ..... to a greater extent than Obama's policies already have.

Again, 'Citation please'. Also, I do believe that Mr Obama's policies did not evolve in a vacuum and that many others (Notable many Republicans) were also involved and instrumental in what the American public actually received as laws etc. Your feed-back and thoughts are welcome about such.

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  He will repeal and replace a healthcare law that is a disaster.

Again 'Citation needed' also, see above comment about culpablity/responsibility etc.

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  He will reduce taxes, both for corporations (we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world)

Again, citation needed etc.

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  and for individuals He will rebuild the military, which has been devastated by Obama.

Consider Your military has been 'gutted'? Really?

Please, offer many citations etc.

How's that F-35 machine working for you at the moment (As an example of moneys spent/Product delivered etc)

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  He will fix a crumbling infrastructure.

This is something possibly pledged. It is something that will await an outcome. Yes

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  These policies are not "racist", "homophobic", "bigoted", "mysoginistic", "Islamophobic", or "xenophobic"; they are policies that will benefit the entire nation.

Um... not the things you've listed above. However the language, words, themes, comments and Advisors around and about Trump are a completely different issue and they most surely DO reflect such things.

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  I have not been able to grasp why most atheists are liberals; the only politically reasonable atheists I know read, study, and admire Objectivism (Ayn Rand).

I am a Non-theist, some what progressive and some what Liberal. (I think/suppose)

Who is Ayn Rand? Consider I've heard the name. Is there a simple primer fo her works?

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  Who are the Trump voters? People who are educated like myself (and a woman too), Latinos in higher numbers than Romney, blacks in higher numbers than Romney got, mainstream Republicans, and -- here is the big one -- Democrats who voted for Obama but flipped for Trump. It's not just "Uncle Ned" (thank you Darrel Ray) who shows up to Thanksgiving dinner gloating that Trump won.

That's nice. Thumbsup

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  Why don't you all quit freaking out and give him a chance? I've never seen people so unhinged over the results of an election. Are you that mentally unstable?

Um... because people can and have (Successfully in my view) pointed out haunting and disturbing similarities between Mr Trump and other demagogues of the past and how they turned out in history, perhaps?

As for the "Are you that mentally unstable?" ? Who's name calling now? Consider

(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2

I believe my above responses/post has been entirely reasonable in asking you questions about your points. Your feed back is appreciated.

Also welcome to the forums. Smile
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16-11-2016, 11:59 AM
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By pure curiosity, what's your Ph.D thesis on and can we find it online (most Ph.D thesis are published by university press nowday)?

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16-11-2016, 12:00 PM
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(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2

So you are okay with so random stranger walking up to you and "grabbing you right in the pussy?"

Because that's what your Commander-in-Chief has advocated.

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16-11-2016, 12:02 PM
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(16-11-2016 11:15 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(16-11-2016 11:03 AM)Belinda Wrote:  ..."progressives" lost! I am a highly-education atheist from a prestigious university; my Ph.D. is in economics, and I am a woman. I'm also a Trump voter. Why? because Hillary's economic policies would absolutely devastate the economy to a greater extent than Obama's policies already have. He will repeal and replace a healthcare law that is a disaster. He will reduce taxes, both for corporations (we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world) and for individuals He will rebuild the military, which has been devastated by Obama. He will fix a crumbling infrastructure.

These policies are not "racist", "homophobic", "bigoted", "mysoginistic", "Islamophobic", or "xenophobic"; they are policies that will benefit the entire nation. I have not been able to grasp why most atheists are liberals; the only politically reasonable atheists I know read, study, and admire Objectivism (Ayn Rand).

Who are the Trump voters? People who are educated like myself (and a woman too), Latinos in higher numbers than Romney, blacks in higher numbers than Romney got, mainstream Republicans, and -- here is the big one -- Democrats who voted for Obama but flipped for Trump. It's not just "Uncle Ned" (thank you Darrel Ray) who shows up to Thanksgiving dinner gloating that Trump won.

Why don't you all quit freaking out and give him a chance? I've never seen people so unhinged over the results of an election. Are you that mentally unstable?

Whatever your beliefs, he is our next President, and it will go easier on you if you at least TRY to be reasonable. Sadcryface2

I have the same attitude toward the new administration as I do toward religion: I'll believe that you're "reasonable" as soon as as you demonstrate that you're reasonable. Neither Trump nor Pence has even taken a baby step in that direction yet. Trump has done nothing but try to offend as many people as possible, and Pence is a fucking creationist theocrat. Why would you expect any atheist to support him?

If the new administration actually does good things for America (all of America, not just rich white Christian males), I will applaud them. But I'm not holding my breath.

As for Ayn Rand and "Objectivism" -- she was a third-rate hack novelist who dabbled in philosophy. Her "philosophy" is laughable simplistic.

I will give you the comment you made about Ayn Rand...I disagree, but I understand. What I was trying to get across is that the best economists over the years, such as Hayek and Ludwig von Mises, were atheists, so WHY do you persist in believing socialism and fascism are the way to prosperity; it just isn't so.

Why would an atheist vote for him? I provided policy-oriented reasons why. You are simply (most of the people here and the atheists I know) statists who believe for some odd reason that progressivism -- rather than freedom -- is best for atheists. That is bullshit. Stop being unhinged, already!
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