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12-05-2013, 11:12 PM
Faith Healing
A couple in Oregon was recently sent to prison for 5 years because watched their 16 year old son die, as their church (and the parents) thought it wrong to seek any medical help for a ruptured appendix. They believed solely in the practice of "faith healing." Now I don't know about you but I feel this punishment was much to soft as they watched their son die and knew he needed medical attention.

It feels that we are slowly moving back in time, back to the days of "demon possessions" and burning witches. With practices of this sort still being used by a significant number of people, I feel as if our society can not advance as much as we should be able to...

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Nobody really knows where all this shit came from. But I think I'd rather trust the dudes in lab coats who aren't demanding I get up early every Sunday to overdress and apologize for being human.
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12-05-2013, 11:36 PM
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Fortunately, I believe we are still moving forward. It is only through the 24/7 information hotline that is the net that we are aware of this stuff.

People are collectively getting better. Those in persuasion would have you believe otherwise.

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12-05-2013, 11:38 PM
Faith Healing
As long as there is people like us making believers feel stupid, humankind has hope.
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13-05-2013, 05:06 AM
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I'd say it's not moving backwards, just taking a loooooooong time to move forward. In 'Cracker Nation' anyway, the rest of the West is alright.

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13-05-2013, 06:09 AM
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This was actually their second offense-- they had another child die a couple years ago and got off with probation.
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13-05-2013, 06:13 AM
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I would like to know if anyone (doctor, police, court ) knew about this before his death-while these people were praying.

It really bothers me that they (legal/justice system) doesn't step in while the child is alive but as soon as he is dead-then they want to have their say. If its a crime (after death)-then it is a crime prior to death, no?

IMO, they got off way too easy, and I would be sending every single person in that 'faith' that knew about this to prison for conspiracy to murder.

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13-05-2013, 06:54 AM
RE: Faith Healing
(13-05-2013 06:13 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  I would like to know if anyone (doctor, police, court ) knew about this before his death-while these people were praying.

It really bothers me that they (legal/justice system) doesn't step in while the child is alive but as soon as he is dead-then they want to have their say. If its a crime (after death)-then it is a crime prior to death, no?

IMO, they got off way too easy, and I would be sending every single person in that 'faith' that knew about this to prison for conspiracy to murder.

The stupid thing is that there is very likely nothing anyone can legally do prior to the death of the kids.
It's fucking stupid I know. At what point do the parents parental rights surpass that kids right to good welfare?

It's a bit of a complex issue though because you have religion involved. Everyone is entitled to their own stupid believes no matter how fucking retarded they are.

IMO as someone that studies law, the law is very good at "punishment". If you did this or that the law will clamp down on you. BUT it's very poor at preventing crime. ie: Stalkers are a brilliant example. Someone, maybe an ex-partner, could be stalking some young lady, phoning her, driving past her house etc... but not actually do anything. The law in such cases is 100% powerless, no matter how fearful the young lady is for her safety. The law is only effective if that stalker then actually does something, upon which it's too late as something bad has happened.

It's the price we pay for human rights I suppose.

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13-05-2013, 07:48 AM
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(13-05-2013 06:54 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  It's fucking stupid I know. At what point do the parents parental rights surpass that kids right to good welfare?

It's a bit of a complex issue though because you have religion involved. Everyone is entitled to their own stupid believes no matter how fucking retarded they are.

maybe I'm wrong, but aren't there some sort of reasonable tests used in law? maybe it's law according to television that I'm thinking of. Consider

I find it pretty easy to say the parents have rights up until those actions (or inaction) risk the life of another. And when that other cannot speak up for themselves (as in the case of a minor or seriously ill) then the gov't not only has the right to step in on their behalf, but also the DUTY to step in. A reasonable person who seek the advice and treatment for common ailments (and uncommon I suppose) from a medical doctor.

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13-05-2013, 09:12 AM
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(13-05-2013 06:09 AM)Funtheist Wrote:  This was actually their second offense-- they had another child die a couple years ago and got off with probation.

I think we are talking about 2 different cases. This couple has 7 kids and lost 1 (age 16) to faith healing. Also I made a mistake in my initial post. They avoided jail completely after watching their son slowly die. (1)

I think the one you are talking about (correct me if I'm wrong) is the case of a Philadelphia couple who lost their second child to faith healing and were recently let out on probation after only 3 years or so in prison. (2)

1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-dies.html

2. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23...38001.html

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13-05-2013, 09:15 AM
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(13-05-2013 06:13 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  I would like to know if anyone (doctor, police, court ) knew about this before his death-while these people were praying.

It really bothers me that they (legal/justice system) doesn't step in while the child is alive but as soon as he is dead-then they want to have their say. If its a crime (after death)-then it is a crime prior to death, no?

IMO, they got off way too easy, and I would be sending every single person in that 'faith' that knew about this to prison for conspiracy to murder.

I completely agree with you, I think it at least should be some form of child abuse, or maybe even child abandonment.

They did get off way to easy. In my initial post I made a mistake and said that they got 5 years, but they actually avoided jail completely, and they still have 6 more children (who should be taken away and never allowed to see them again).

Nobody really knows where all this shit came from. But I think I'd rather trust the dudes in lab coats who aren't demanding I get up early every Sunday to overdress and apologize for being human.
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