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22-06-2011, 12:12 AM
Fallacies
Oh hey, just read whatever Parture posted and noticed he has used a lot of fallacious arguments, notably red herrings and strawmen. Here's a great link on fallacies and how to identify them, with examples to illustrate. Maybe this can help in finding the weak points in the arguments of other people, have fun! Big Grin

http://www.unc.edu/depts/wcweb/handouts/fallacies.html

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22-06-2011, 12:23 AM
RE: Fallacies
You can usually figure out the nature of the fallacy by it's name.

It's the ad [insert latin name here]s that I don't like. I can never remember which ones are which.

"Ain't got no last words to say, yellow streak right up my spine. The gun in my mouth was real and the taste blew my mind."

"We see you cry. We turn your head. Then we slap your face. We see you try. We see you fail. Some things never change."
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22-06-2011, 12:28 AM
RE: Fallacies
I usually only remember ad Hominem. Most other 'ad's have common equivalent names in other languages. Ad populum, for example, would be the argument of majority.

The God excuse: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument. "God did it." Anything we can't describe must have come from God. - George Carlin

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22-06-2011, 12:47 AM
RE: Fallacies
A lot of creationists tend to use the strawman fallacy, where they misrepresent the facts in their own words and attack the flawed argument. When their argument falls apart, they most likely start to use red herrings to distract the opponent. Just curious, do you encounter people like this?

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22-06-2011, 12:55 AM
RE: Fallacies
They also use an appeal to ignorance combined with a false dichotomy to try to prove their point. "Science can't explain the origin of life or the universe, it doesn't have a solid answer! Creation, on the other hand, clearly explains how we came to be. Therefore, only Creation can explain the origin of the universe and life!"

The God excuse: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument. "God did it." Anything we can't describe must have come from God. - George Carlin

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22-06-2011, 12:55 AM (This post was last modified: 22-06-2011 01:04 AM by MasterRottweiler.)
RE: Fallacies
(22-06-2011 12:28 AM)Efrx86 Wrote:  I usually only remember ad Hominem. Most other 'ad's have common equivalent names in other languages. Ad populum, for example, would be the argument of majority.

Yeah, but others have more dificult names, like ad-verecundiam (argument from authority) ad-baculum (argument from force), etc.

Here is another link about fallacies I've used when I debate with people.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy

EDIT: I didn't realize I had this in my favorites Tongue: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

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22-06-2011, 01:26 AM
RE: Fallacies
(22-06-2011 12:55 AM)MasterRottweiler Wrote:  
(22-06-2011 12:28 AM)Efrx86 Wrote:  I usually only remember ad Hominem. Most other 'ad's have common equivalent names in other languages. Ad populum, for example, would be the argument of majority.

Yeah, but others have more dificult names, like ad-verecundiam (argument from authority) ad-baculum (argument from force), etc.

Here is another link about fallacies I've used when I debate with people.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy

EDIT: I didn't realize I had this in my favorites Tongue: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

Found a nice article from your links Big Grin
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWik...econverted

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22-06-2011, 01:42 AM
RE: Fallacies
Lol Yeah, thats a good article, funny and informative Big Grin

"The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world.”
-Georgia Harkness.

"La fe es patrimonio de los pendejos. (Faith is patrimony of the dumbfucks)."
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22-06-2011, 04:08 AM
RE: Fallacies
and the appeal to emotion.

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

"This machine kills fascists..."

"Well this machine kills commies!"
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22-06-2011, 11:16 AM
RE: Fallacies
Hehe, I like the sound of this one. Creationists use it all the time:

Quote:Argumentum ex culo -- Making things up.


Translates as argument from the ass Tongue

"Infinitus est numerus stultorum." (The number of fools is infinite)
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