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16-09-2010, 07:29 PM
Fallout - Enclaves "final solution"
In the fallout series there is a fragment of the US government that survived the 200 year firestorm of WW3, any other survivors were effected by the radiation over the years and horribly mutated.
The Enclave as some of you may know is very xenophobic so they developed a plan later named the final solution that would cleanse the world of all mutated humans by means of a modified forced evolutionary virus.
They started trying to put the virus into the jetstream, then in F03 they were trying to "purify" all the water in the wasteland.

I'd like to know anyones thoughts on this.
Does this seem justified? what would better alternatives be?

I am in favor of the final solution, so many more would suffer from the effects of radiation poisoning, even far into the future you'll still have horrible defects and health problems, it isn't something I could do very easily but if the choice were mine I would tell them to start those chem labs churning out viruses.

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

"This machine kills fascists..."

"Well this machine kills commies!"
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17-09-2010, 11:38 AM
RE: Fallout - Enclaves "final solution"
(16-09-2010 07:29 PM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  as some of you may know

"May know"?

Some of my old titles:
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I've used roughly half of these as avatars at some point or another.

Yes, I'm a fan. I've got New Vegas on pre-order right now.

Quote:Does this seem justified?

No. That's kinda the point of the series, innit? Tongue

Quote:what would better alternatives be?

Learning to get over their xenophobia and dealing with the fact that the human race is going to have some amount of genetic mutation going on.

Quote:I am in favor of the final solution, so many more would suffer from the effects of radiation poisoning

The Enclave's "final solution" wouldn't solve this. The wasteland would still be irradiated.
Also, the case could be made that radiation poisoning is not an issue except in specific areas which have high doses of rads nearby (the area around Vault 87, for example, which took a direct hit from a nuclear weapon). Since it's been two hundred years since the war, radiation generally isn't a problem, and there's always Rad-Away for when it is.

Besides, that wasn't the Enclave's motivation for their attempt to destroy the humans living in the wasteland. The Enclave simply wants to destroy everyone whose genetic code is even slightly different from their own - they're Nazis, plain and simple, who consider themselves the master race.

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17-09-2010, 02:44 PM
RE: Fallout - Enclaves "final solution"
I've actually seen some concept art somewhere of early enclave uniforms and they had a very national socialist undertone.
Yes I realize that the enclave were just against anyone who differed from them but I like my justification better than "you're different, into the fire!" given the choice of whether or not to turn the key to annihilation I would need more info, the thing about local rad levels is a good point, I'd also want to know the full extent of effects survivors suffered due to radiation exposure and -of course- if a lot of these could be treated.
I'd be more likely to side with one of the branch-offs of the enclave -the ones who seriously want to rebuild the world-.... I hope their uniforms are as snazzy as the east coast enclave's. xD

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

"This machine kills fascists..."

"Well this machine kills commies!"
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22-09-2010, 05:07 AM
 
RE: Fallout - Enclaves "final solution"
I just got this game and it is amazing. It is also good, and maybe even better than oblivion. so I am pretty sure that there are fewer weapons WAY. and since you can not fast travel to all cities, places they have discovered. I am six hours after the game ... Awesome! Everything I expected and more.
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22-09-2010, 05:09 AM
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(22-09-2010 05:07 AM)denzilmartin11 Wrote:  I just got this game and it is amazing. It is also good, and maybe even better than oblivion. so I am pretty sure that there are fewer weapons WAY. and since you can not fast travel to all cities, places they have discovered. I am six hours after the game ... Awesome! Everything I expected and more.

well thats good, I hope you get the DLC's, its just not the same without them.
Oblivion is on my shitlist since it bugged out and deleted all my saves -_-"

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"This machine kills fascists..."

"Well this machine kills commies!"
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24-09-2010, 10:57 AM
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denzil is a bot. Banned and erased.

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26-10-2010, 08:34 PM
RE: Fallout - Enclaves "final solution"
If you played Fallout Tactics you had 2 endings.

One made you join together with a machine and unite the wasteland.The scribes all flee. Machines , ghouls , humans , deathclaw and the New Brotherhood all working together until one day they would face the Old Brotherhood.

The second is a xenophobic genocide of anything non human and the Old doctrine prevails.The Brotherhood struggles and awaits their companions.


Personally I choose the first option. Better to live together despite of differences.
Unfortunately the easiest thing to do with something you don't understand is to destroy it and never have to deal with it again.
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01-12-2010, 08:27 PM
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(01-12-2010 04:28 PM)deborahdmathise Wrote:  Fallout seeria on pätkä USA valitsus, et meil on säilinud 200 aasta torm WW3, muud ülalpidamisel aeti kiirguse läbi aastate ja muteerunud jubedalt. Enklaavin, nagu mõned te teate, on väga ksenofoobse, et vastasel luua kava, mis on hiljem nimetati lõplik lahendus, mida me kõik puhastatav World inimesi muundatud Mutant Sunniviisilise Evolutionary Virus.
Muidu nad hakkasid üritab panna viirus Jetstream, siis F03 või üritasid "puhastada" küsimus vesi kõrbes.
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07-12-2010, 11:03 AM
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(01-12-2010 08:27 PM)The Doctor Wrote:  
(01-12-2010 04:28 PM)deborahdmathise Wrote:  Fallout seeria on pätkä USA valitsus, et meil on säilinud 200 aasta torm WW3, muud ülalpidamisel aeti kiirguse läbi aastate ja muteerunud jubedalt. Enklaavin, nagu mõned te teate, on väga ksenofoobse, et vastasel luua kava, mis on hiljem nimetati lõplik lahendus, mida me kõik puhastatav World inimesi muundatud Mutant Sunniviisilise Evolutionary Virus.
Muidu nad hakkasid üritab panna viirus Jetstream, siis F03 või üritasid "puhastada" küsimus vesi kõrbes.
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07-12-2010, 11:57 AM
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(07-12-2010 11:03 AM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(01-12-2010 08:27 PM)The Doctor Wrote:  
(01-12-2010 04:28 PM)deborahdmathise Wrote:  Fallout seeria on pätkä USA valitsus, et meil on säilinud 200 aasta torm WW3, muud ülalpidamisel aeti kiirguse läbi aastate ja muteerunud jubedalt. Enklaavin, nagu mõned te teate, on väga ksenofoobse, et vastasel luua kava, mis on hiljem nimetati lõplik lahendus, mida me kõik puhastatav World inimesi muundatud Mutant Sunniviisilise Evolutionary Virus.
Muidu nad hakkasid üritab panna viirus Jetstream, siis F03 või üritasid "puhastada" küsimus vesi kõrbes.
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