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03-11-2012, 12:51 PM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2012 01:01 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Fate vs free will
(03-11-2012 12:34 PM)Theist_Typing Wrote:  
(12-09-2012 09:47 PM)Muckyoo Wrote:  Here is one of the most annoying debates I have always had with theists. They insist that god gave everyone free will, yet, in the same breath, state how god is omniscient, therefore our future is set. This is such a ridiculous argument, and I can't believe that a theist can't even realize what they are saying. You cannot have free will and destiny. It is impossible. I just wanted to get some opinions on the subject from you guys. Not sure if Seth reads the forums, but it would be awesome to get his take on the subject as well.


It is the atheists crowd who tout predestination/fate. Yes, it is your genes and your environment. Nothing less nothing more. Just depressing predestination. If you have accepted fate, why try? Why crawl your butt out of bed in the morning and go to work. You are just a dancer in a Kabuki theater. Acceptance of predestination is depressing and kills motivation.

Do not accept the omniscient God theory. Really, it does not work that way! What would be the point? Why play a chess game that all the moves are known in advance?

We are still evolving. Free will is about the ability to make choices. The more evolved you are, greater is the awareness you have. The greater your awareness, the more choices you have. More choices you have, the more you are able to exercise your "free will."



You cannot direct the wind but you can change your sails. atheistsrfun.com
You maybe can adjust your sails, but you are in a boat, 100 % constrained by
a. knowing what a sail is, and how it works,
b. knowing how to adjusts sails
c. being in a boat with THAT boat's history in historical time, in that historical place
d. you do not have the option to jump out of the boat, and swim forever,
e. the sail adjustments are limited to the construction of the boat.

In short, no one is "free" to do anything. Your options are 100% limited within a very small range, AND in making the choice, science has proven the elements of the choice are not present to your conscious mind, fully, or 100 %.
There is no "free will". It's both an illusion, and a delusion.

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Fate vs free will - Muckyoo - 12-09-2012, 09:47 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - earmuffs - 13-09-2012, 06:29 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Bucky Ball - 13-09-2012, 06:39 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - nach_in - 13-09-2012, 07:02 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - kingschosen - 13-09-2012, 11:23 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - houseofcantor - 13-09-2012, 11:31 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - kingschosen - 13-09-2012, 11:34 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - houseofcantor - 13-09-2012, 11:35 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - kingschosen - 13-09-2012, 11:50 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Impulse - 13-09-2012, 09:47 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - godistwaddle - 13-09-2012, 09:52 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Impulse - 13-09-2012, 10:09 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - kingschosen - 13-09-2012, 11:33 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Impulse - 14-09-2012, 09:15 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - kingschosen - 14-09-2012, 09:25 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Impulse - 14-09-2012, 12:07 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Dom - 13-09-2012, 10:13 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Cardinal Smurf - 13-09-2012, 05:46 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - kingschosen - 13-09-2012, 06:47 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Aseptic Skeptic - 14-09-2012, 10:58 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Dom - 14-09-2012, 12:04 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Chas - 14-09-2012, 12:14 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Vosur - 14-09-2012, 12:23 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Dom - 14-09-2012, 12:33 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Dom - 14-09-2012, 12:35 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Impulse - 14-09-2012, 01:34 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Chas - 14-09-2012, 01:38 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Dom - 14-09-2012, 02:24 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Impulse - 14-09-2012, 03:11 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Dom - 14-09-2012, 04:09 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Chas - 14-09-2012, 04:16 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Vosur - 14-09-2012, 11:55 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - fstratzero - 14-09-2012, 02:37 PM
Fate vs free will - Cardinal Smurf - 14-09-2012, 03:09 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Xerox - 02-11-2012, 07:10 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Theist_Typing - 03-11-2012, 12:34 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Bucky Ball - 03-11-2012 12:51 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Theist_Typing - 05-11-2012, 06:10 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - houseofcantor - 05-11-2012, 06:12 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - DLJ - 03-11-2012, 12:59 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Theist_Typing - 05-11-2012, 06:06 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - DLJ - 05-11-2012, 07:52 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Bucky Ball - 05-11-2012, 06:20 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Free - 04-11-2012, 03:25 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - houseofcantor - 05-11-2012, 08:33 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - a_theist - 19-01-2013, 12:58 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - Aseptic Skeptic - 19-01-2013, 03:27 AM
RE: Fate vs free will - kingschosen - 21-01-2013, 12:07 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Baud2Bits - 21-01-2013, 08:02 PM
RE: Fate vs free will - Chaos - 19-01-2013, 06:15 PM
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