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07-11-2016, 03:22 PM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2016 03:29 PM by Shai Hulud.)
Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
Pre-post note: Please excuse the cursing. I actually checked the TTA rules before posting this, just to double check I was okay in doing so.
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I am LIVID right now. For those who don't know him, Frank Pavone is a priest who runs Priests For Life, a "pro-life" organization. He has a ridiculous history of pulling stunts that a lot of folks find distasteful, but I think he's really taken the cake with this one. If you go to Priests for Life's Facebook right now, you can find an image of him standing next to an aborted fetus on an altar, uncovered, and endorsing Donald Trump by name. And a video of him preaching, with the aborted fetus, still on the altar.

Go fuck yourself Padre, go fuck yourself. If you truly believe that's a child, then go fuck yourself for using that child as a prop. If you truly believe that's a child, who deserves a proper funeral, and you used that child as a prop, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself for using someone you consider to be a child as a political prop. Go fuck yourself for desecrating the corpse of someone you believe to be a child. Go fuck yourself for not engaging in a corporal work of mercy and properly burying the dead. Go fuck yourself for violating Priests for Life's 501c3 status. Go fuck yourself for reducing human remains to nothing more than a photo op. Go fuck yourself for being a shit lord of a human being. Damn you, you fucking bastard.

Quote:Father Pavone Treats Naked Human Remains As Photo Prop

I seriously, seriously did not want to write about this man again.

Let me ask a hypothetical question. What if a priest tried to preach against rape, by parading a naked rape survivor into the church, still bleeding from her injury, and having her sit on the altar for a photo?

Okay, what if a priest was preaching against nuclear war, so he found the corpse of a person who died from radiation poisoning and slung them naked onto the altar, lit the candles, then put on a HasMat suit and posed behind them for a photo?

What if a priest wanted to preach against the death penalty, so they took the naked and still-dirty corpse of a hanging victim, the face all black and bloated, stuck it on the altar with the limbs all helter skelter and the rictus of a face staring at the congregation, stood behind him and took a selfie?

What if they wanted to preach against drone attacks, so they took burnt flesh and bones scraped out of a destroyed building, sprinkled them on the altar and posed?

Heinous, huh?

It is wrong to use dead people as political props. Most people know that. The Catechism of the Catholic Church specifically states:

The bodies of the dead must be treated with respect and charity, in faith and hope of the Resurrection. The burial of the dead is a corporal work of mercy; it honors the children of God, who are temples of the Holy Spirit.

That’s why there’s so much controversy surrounding news videos of murdered Daesh victims. That’s one of the reasons why pro-life leaders like Abby Johnson have been telling people for years that it’s wrong to show photos of aborted babies at abortion clinic protests– that, and that it’s ineffective.

Well, guess who just did that?

Yep, Father Frank Pavone. I will not further dishonor that poor dead child by sharing the photo in question, but you can find it right at Priests For Life’s Facebook feed. He is not shy about it. He took the remains of a late-term aborted fetus which someone sent him, made no effort to clean the body or lay it out properly, did not dress the infant or even cover his private parts, slung him on the altar curled up in fetal position, lit the candles and posed for a publicity photo. He shared the photo on Priests for Life with a caption endorsing the admitted sexual assailant Donald Trump by name, which seems to me to be a clear violation of his 501-c3 status.

But getting back to that matter of the naked dead baby for a minute. I thought that Father Pavone thought the unborn were human beings? I thought that was the sole thing that he and I had in common? I thought that that was the very reason that abortion was wrong? Because fetuses are human beings, and therefore have all the dignity that a human being has, up to and including treating their corpse with dignity?

Just barring the fact that Pavone is using the baby as a political prop here, did he not think to treat that baby’s remains with the slightest bit of dignity? If he wasn’t going to place them in a coffin, at least wrap a nice little white blanket around them? Why was the baby on the ALTAR instead of in a casket at the foot of the altar, like at every other Catholic funeral for an infant I’ve ever attended?

Human bodies are not objects for us to exploit. As we do to them, we do to Christ.

And when I can stop using the words "fuck you" to describe him, I'll be writing to his diocese, as more than a dozen others I personally know, have done:
http://www.amarillodiocese.org/contact-us

Edit: And on the note of his photo, I won't include it, but here was the text with the still photo:
Quote:Election Novena 7 – Today I am showing you a child who was killed by abortion and entrusted to us by a pathologist for burial. We have had a funeral for this baby, who rests in a Memorial Chapel - - but today I am showing him to you because in this election we have to decide if we will allow this child killing to continue in America or not. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic platform says yes, let the child-killing continue (and you pay for it); Donald Trump and the Republican platform says no, the child should be protected.

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07-11-2016, 03:34 PM
RE: Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
(07-11-2016 03:22 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Pre-post note: Please excuse the cursing. I actually checked the TTA rules before posting this, just to double check I was okay in doing so.
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Fucking pussy.

(07-11-2016 03:22 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I am LIVID right now. ....

Don't you got ways to reign in the stupid? You must have some sort of internal affairs department responsible for such things. Can't you excommunicate him or lock him away in the Vatican or something?

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07-11-2016, 03:38 PM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2016 03:49 PM by Shai Hulud.)
RE: Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
Writing to his Bishop is about all that can be done, short of someone knowing how to ask the IRS to investigate his 501c3 status for church/state violation.

As an aside, I'd be VERY interested to know how Father Pavone came about this fetus beyond a "pathologist" sending the remains for burial. The marks are indicative of saline abortion (also known as installation abortion), which as of almost a decade ago, was down to 0.1% of all abortions in the United States and has been dropping steadily. It seems almost freakishly uncanny someone would send him the remains aborted in one of the least used ways possible, which also leaves them quite recognizable, just in time to use them as a political prop. Especially given the fact he used a similar set of remains in an open casket in Charlotte during the DNC.

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07-11-2016, 04:17 PM
RE: Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
(07-11-2016 03:22 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Pre-post note: Please excuse the cursing. I actually checked the TTA rules before posting this, just to double check I was okay in doing so.
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I am LIVID right now. For those who don't know him, Frank Pavone is a priest who runs Priests For Life, a "pro-life" organization. He has a ridiculous history of pulling stunts that a lot of folks find distasteful, but I think he's really taken the cake with this one. If you go to Priests for Life's Facebook right now, you can find an image of him standing next to an aborted fetus on an altar, uncovered, and endorsing Donald Trump by name. And a video of him preaching, with the aborted fetus, still on the altar.

Go fuck yourself Padre, go fuck yourself. If you truly believe that's a child, then go fuck yourself for using that child as a prop. If you truly believe that's a child, who deserves a proper funeral, and you used that child as a prop, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself for using someone you consider to be a child as a political prop. Go fuck yourself for desecrating the corpse of someone you believe to be a child. Go fuck yourself for not engaging in a corporal work of mercy and properly burying the dead. Go fuck yourself for violating Priests for Life's 501c3 status. Go fuck yourself for reducing human remains to nothing more than a photo op. Go fuck yourself for being a shit lord of a human being. Damn you, you fucking bastard.

Quote:Father Pavone Treats Naked Human Remains As Photo Prop

I seriously, seriously did not want to write about this man again.

Let me ask a hypothetical question. What if a priest tried to preach against rape, by parading a naked rape survivor into the church, still bleeding from her injury, and having her sit on the altar for a photo?

Okay, what if a priest was preaching against nuclear war, so he found the corpse of a person who died from radiation poisoning and slung them naked onto the altar, lit the candles, then put on a HasMat suit and posed behind them for a photo?

What if a priest wanted to preach against the death penalty, so they took the naked and still-dirty corpse of a hanging victim, the face all black and bloated, stuck it on the altar with the limbs all helter skelter and the rictus of a face staring at the congregation, stood behind him and took a selfie?

What if they wanted to preach against drone attacks, so they took burnt flesh and bones scraped out of a destroyed building, sprinkled them on the altar and posed?

Heinous, huh?

It is wrong to use dead people as political props. Most people know that. The Catechism of the Catholic Church specifically states:

The bodies of the dead must be treated with respect and charity, in faith and hope of the Resurrection. The burial of the dead is a corporal work of mercy; it honors the children of God, who are temples of the Holy Spirit.

That’s why there’s so much controversy surrounding news videos of murdered Daesh victims. That’s one of the reasons why pro-life leaders like Abby Johnson have been telling people for years that it’s wrong to show photos of aborted babies at abortion clinic protests– that, and that it’s ineffective.

Well, guess who just did that?

Yep, Father Frank Pavone. I will not further dishonor that poor dead child by sharing the photo in question, but you can find it right at Priests For Life’s Facebook feed. He is not shy about it. He took the remains of a late-term aborted fetus which someone sent him, made no effort to clean the body or lay it out properly, did not dress the infant or even cover his private parts, slung him on the altar curled up in fetal position, lit the candles and posed for a publicity photo. He shared the photo on Priests for Life with a caption endorsing the admitted sexual assailant Donald Trump by name, which seems to me to be a clear violation of his 501-c3 status.

But getting back to that matter of the naked dead baby for a minute. I thought that Father Pavone thought the unborn were human beings? I thought that was the sole thing that he and I had in common? I thought that that was the very reason that abortion was wrong? Because fetuses are human beings, and therefore have all the dignity that a human being has, up to and including treating their corpse with dignity?

Just barring the fact that Pavone is using the baby as a political prop here, did he not think to treat that baby’s remains with the slightest bit of dignity? If he wasn’t going to place them in a coffin, at least wrap a nice little white blanket around them? Why was the baby on the ALTAR instead of in a casket at the foot of the altar, like at every other Catholic funeral for an infant I’ve ever attended?

Human bodies are not objects for us to exploit. As we do to them, we do to Christ.

And when I can stop using the words "fuck you" to describe him, I'll be writing to his diocese, as more than a dozen others I personally know, have done:
http://www.amarillodiocese.org/contact-us

Edit: And on the note of his photo, I won't include it, but here was the text with the still photo:
Quote:Election Novena 7 – Today I am showing you a child who was killed by abortion and entrusted to us by a pathologist for burial. We have had a funeral for this baby, who rests in a Memorial Chapel - - but today I am showing him to you because in this election we have to decide if we will allow this child killing to continue in America or not. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic platform says yes, let the child-killing continue (and you pay for it); Donald Trump and the Republican platform says no, the child should be protected.

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07-11-2016, 05:17 PM
RE: Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
(07-11-2016 04:17 PM)Fireball Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 03:22 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Pre-post note: Please excuse the cursing. I actually checked the TTA rules before posting this, just to double check I was okay in doing so.
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I am LIVID right now. For those who don't know him, Frank Pavone is a priest who runs Priests For Life, a "pro-life" organization. He has a ridiculous history of pulling stunts that a lot of folks find distasteful, but I think he's really taken the cake with this one. If you go to Priests for Life's Facebook right now, you can find an image of him standing next to an aborted fetus on an altar, uncovered, and endorsing Donald Trump by name. And a video of him preaching, with the aborted fetus, still on the altar.

Go fuck yourself Padre, go fuck yourself. If you truly believe that's a child, then go fuck yourself for using that child as a prop. If you truly believe that's a child, who deserves a proper funeral, and you used that child as a prop, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself for using someone you consider to be a child as a political prop. Go fuck yourself for desecrating the corpse of someone you believe to be a child. Go fuck yourself for not engaging in a corporal work of mercy and properly burying the dead. Go fuck yourself for violating Priests for Life's 501c3 status. Go fuck yourself for reducing human remains to nothing more than a photo op. Go fuck yourself for being a shit lord of a human being. Damn you, you fucking bastard.


And when I can stop using the words "fuck you" to describe him, I'll be writing to his diocese, as more than a dozen others I personally know, have done:
http://www.amarillodiocese.org/contact-us

Edit: And on the note of his photo, I won't include it, but here was the text with the still photo:

Well said.

Thanks. I'm so upset at him for this that I checked through the last day or so of Friendly Atheist posts to make sure it wasn't there, before sending off an email to their story tip account with links to the photo, the video, the blog I link, etc.

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07-11-2016, 05:25 PM
RE: Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
Just wow. Good luck in defrocking the insensitive asshole.

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07-11-2016, 05:47 PM
RE: Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
I hope he is...

Wrote to the diocese, mentioned the video, the photos, the FB personal attacks he's launching. Quoted the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and threw in, for good measure, that he might cost them their 501c3 status if the IRS were to feel he crossed the line. Fuck this guy with a rusty spork.

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07-11-2016, 06:15 PM
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All will be forgiven after he confesses his sin of pride, eats a little bit of Jesus, and says "hi" to Marie a few times.

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07-11-2016, 09:35 PM
RE: Father Frank Pavone Uses Aborted Fetus as Political Prop
Can you get him sent to The Special Hell?

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07-11-2016, 10:00 PM
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Miami Herald

(Although Shai Hulud summed it up nicely.)


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