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26-04-2012, 12:29 PM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2012 12:33 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
RE: Faux News said it's Obama's fault.
(26-04-2012 11:36 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(26-04-2012 09:24 AM)Reality4Me Wrote:  Many liberals are not fans of MSNBC. MSNBC has a center position on most things, they are rarely liberal or left of center. In contrast to the far right craziness on FOX, it appears to many FOX watchers and GOP faithful to be liberal bias, when in reality it is exactly where the GOP used to be before they lost all sanity.
Because Olberman and Matthews aren't polar opposites of Beck and Hannity. You can't be serious. MSNBC is just as slant as Fox is. If you think otherwise then you are as brainwashed by NBC as you think others are by Fox.


(26-04-2012 11:15 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  That is not what you are saying? ROFL! It is EXACTLY what you just did...even after I pointed out exactly what they do.

You falsely mentioned an equally bias network, while completely ignoring the topic at hand, and then went on to ramble about how bias the other network was.

Read the post above about Faux News bias.

Also, stop watching fox news.
Dont get all mad because he pointed out your bias. You vehemotely attack Fox news for doing the exact same shit MSNBC does by you say nothing about them.

You're a hack and a moron. And I think everyone would be happier if you removed yourself from this forum.
What bias? I merely pointed out that his argument was fallacious.

You are starting the same red herring BS....seriously?!?


I don't watch either network, but I know Faux News is a terrible source for any information.
Heck there was a poll that recently proved that people who watch faux news actually know less about what is actually going on than people who don't watch or read news at all. How fucking sad is that? You couldn't make the bar any lower, and these people still failed with flying colors.
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26-04-2012, 02:00 PM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2012 02:04 PM by Reality4Me.)
RE: Faux News said it's Obama's fault.
(26-04-2012 11:36 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(26-04-2012 09:24 AM)Reality4Me Wrote:  Many liberals are not fans of MSNBC. MSNBC has a center position on most things, they are rarely liberal or left of center. In contrast to the far right craziness on FOX, it appears to many FOX watchers and GOP faithful to be liberal bias, when in reality it is exactly where the GOP used to be before they lost all sanity.
Because Olberman and Matthews aren't polar opposites of Beck and Hannity. You can't be serious. MSNBC is just as slant as Fox is. If you think otherwise then you are as brainwashed by NBC as you think others are by Fox.





Olberman isn't on MSNBC, hasn't been for some time. Matthews is currently the farthest left MSNBC host in my opinion. There is one key trait about Beck (no longer on FOX) and Hannity that you omit: they lie. They tell obvious and easily refuted lies that only the FOX watching crowd is gullible enough to believe.

Matthews may be left of center, but at least he and other MSNBC hosts speak the truth. If you can objectively watch MSNBC you will see that while there is some left bias, it is at least truthful. Watch Morning Joe once in a while, that might as well be a FOX show.
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26-04-2012, 02:04 PM
RE: Faux News said it's Obama's fault.
(26-04-2012 02:00 PM)Reality4Me Wrote:  
(26-04-2012 11:36 AM)germanyt Wrote:  Because Olberman and Matthews aren't polar opposites of Beck and Hannity. You can't be serious. MSNBC is just as slant as Fox is. If you think otherwise then you are as brainwashed by NBC as you think others are by Fox.


Dont get all mad because he pointed out your bias. You vehemotely attack Fox news for doing the exact same shit MSNBC does by you say nothing about them.

You're a hack and a moron. And I think everyone would be happier if you removed yourself from this forum.




Olberman isn't on MSNBC, hasn't been for some time. Matthews is currently the farthest left MSNBC host in my opinion. There is one key trait about Beck (no longer on FOX) and Hannity that you omit: they lie. They tell obvious and easily refuted lies that only the FOX watching crowd is gullible enough to believe.

Matthews may be left of center, but at least he and other MSNBC hosts speak the truth. If you can objectively watch MSNBC you will see that while there is some left bias, it is at least truthful. Watch Morning Joe once in a while, that might as well be a FOX show.
I used to watch a lot of Fox News. Up until a couple of years ago it was most frequent channel I watched. Up until Glenn Beck came on (with exception to occasional tarded outbursts from Megan Kelly) everything on before that was accurate information. So from 5 AM to 4 PM it is regular news. At 4 though is when Beck came on and then came Hannity, O'Reilly, and Greta. Greta is nothing like Hannity or Beck so she doesn't count. It is my observation that nearly everything people say they don't like about Fox News comes from only 3 hours of their programming. Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly.

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26-04-2012, 02:10 PM
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Don't forget Fox & Friends.
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26-04-2012, 02:14 PM
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(26-04-2012 02:10 PM)kineo Wrote:  Don't forget Fox & Friends.
Fox and Friends? With Bill and Martha? That's just a headline show. They rarely do interviews and usually only have celebrity guests. It's like Good Morning America.

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26-04-2012, 02:16 PM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2012 02:22 PM by kineo.)
RE: Faux News said it's Obama's fault.
Actually, here are some playlists of videos that talk about specific examples of Fox News bias. The producer is an ACLU lawyer in California.

Fox News Bias from Anchor Megyn Kelly
Fox News Bias Involving Bill O'Reilly

Fox News Bias on Health Care Reform Issue

Fox News Bias in Its Video Editing

Fox News Bias - All the videos

Most videos range from a few minutes up to 15 minutes. They are well worth the watch in my opinion.
(26-04-2012 02:14 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(26-04-2012 02:10 PM)kineo Wrote:  Don't forget Fox & Friends.
Fox and Friends? With Bill and Martha? That's just a headline show. They rarely do interviews and usually only have celebrity guests. It's like Good Morning America.

That's irrelevant- they still provide news stories and offer the network slant.

I'm not saying MSNBC is a saint here, I really only watch Rachel Maddow- I know she is a liberal but I think she's also very fair, bias or not. I used to watch Olbermann off and on until the dem primaries in late '07 and '08 when he showed he was in the tank for Obama. And he also started getting really crazy and wild-eyed.
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26-04-2012, 02:55 PM
RE: Faux News said it's Obama's fault.
(26-04-2012 02:16 PM)kineo Wrote:  Actually, here are some playlists of videos that talk about specific examples of Fox News bias. The producer is an ACLU lawyer in Calif
That's irrelevant- they still provide news stories and offer the network slant.
On the morning and early afternoon show I don't see much slant. And if there is it is absolutely no worse than any other network. There really isn't much, if any non bias news out there. The people who write articles do have an opinion and it's apparent in how the info is worded.

Fox News Wrote:President Obama's push to hold down interest rates on federal student loans has rapidly turned into an election-year standoff -- as congressional Republicans counter-punch with their own debt-relief plan and accuse the president of exploiting the issue for his reelection campaign. The latest GOP play has been to call on the president to reimburse taxpayers for this week's college tour, where he touted his student loan plan.
House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday the president’s trip to three big universities in swing states were obvious campaign stops and that his efforts to make the loan rate a campaign issue is "pathetic." Boehner said it makes the most powerful office in the world look "smaller."
"The emperor has no clothes," Boehner, R-Ohio, said ahead of a House vote Friday on the issue.
House Republicans have introduced their own loan-extension bill, and propose paying for it with money from the federal health care overhaul. The plan would extend the 3.4 percent rate for one year on the undergraduate Stafford Direct Loans and cost $5.9 billion. The rate would revert back to 6.8 percent without intervention.
The GOP’s Student Interest Rate Reduction Act would take some of the estimated $9 billion Democrats diverted from college financial aid funding in 2010 to pay for the president’s health care law and apply the money as a stopgap measure to prevent the rate increase.
The money, more specifically, created the Prevention and Public Health Fund for prevention, wellness and public-health activities. It is administered by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, who has full discretion on how to spend the money.
But the Obama administration appeared to reject the Republicans' proposal.
Sebelius testified Thursday on Capitol Hill that the GOP plan to strip the fund would “doom future generations to pay higher and higher health bills and get mediocre results.”
White House spokesman Nick Papas told Fox News the administration is not in favor of taking funds out of the president’s health care law to pay for this student loan deal.
So even if the House passes this Friday, both sides will still be far from a deal.
“This is no time to re-fight old political battles,” Papas said. “We should be able to work together to find offsets that don’t penalize middle-class families or undermine efforts to help more Americans stay healthy.”
Republicans have also argued Obama's economic policies have resulted in roughly 50 percent of recent college graduates in America either unemployed or underemployed -- in part because the health care law is making it harder for small businesses to hire new workers.
Boehner’s suggestion that the president reimburse his travel expenses followed a similar letter Wednesday from the Republican National Committee to the Government Accountability Office.
“Throughout his administration, but particularly in recent weeks, President Obama has been passing off campaign travel as ‘official events,’ thereby allowing taxpayers, rather than his campaign, to pay for his reelection efforts,’’ wrote committee Chairman Reince Priebus.
The White House, though, described the trips as part of Obama's "official responsibility" to hear from students and discuss how to stop interest rates from doubling in July.
At one the college stops, the University of Iowa, Obama indirectly misquoted GOP Rep. Todd Akin, also a Senate candidate.
“You’ve got one member of Congress who compared these student loans, I am not kidding here, to a stage three cancer of socialism.Stage three cancer.I don’t know where to start. What are you talking about?”
Akin, R-Mo., was quotes in a local newspaper as saying, “America has got the equivalent of the stage three cancer of socialism because the federal government is tampering in all kinds of stuff it has no business tampering in."
Akin said later: “With all due respect, the president misquoted me. I was not saying that student loans are a cancer.I referred to the policies where there is a government takeover of private industries.”
I suspect the president was given a misquotation of what I actually said, but I am sure we have a fundamental disagreement on the role of government and what constitutes socialism regarding current public policy.”

CNN Wrote:The House will vote Friday to extend current rates on federally funded college loans for one year, Speaker John Boehner announced on Wednesday in what is seen as an attempt to blunt President Barack Obama's momentum on an issue popular with young voters.Boehner said the extension will be paid for with funds from the Affordable Care Act, the Obama administration's signature health-care law.
Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland, accused House Republicans of paying "lip service" to the issue, and argued the way they pay for keeping the rates low would hurt middle-class Americans.
"They are yet again asking working families to pay the price instead of closing tax loopholes that benefit special interests," Van Hollen said in a written statement. House Democrats introduced their own measure, which would cancel tax subsidies for big oil companies as a way to pay for freezing student loan rates at current levels.
And Rep. George Miller, the ranking Democrat on the House Education and the Workforce Committee, said Boehner's plan amounted to "robbing Peter to pay Peter."
"The Republican bill strips away vital funding for breast and cervical cancer screenings for women," the California congressman said in a written statement on the plan. "It strips funding for increasing child immunization and for screening newborns for things like hearing loss. In other words, the Republican bill will directly hurt women and children."
It's unclear whether Senate Democrats or the White House will accept the Republican plan.
This week the president has been hammering congressional Republicans in front of college audiences in three swing states, Iowa, Colorado and North Carolina. He has said Republicans are threatening to let the rate on student loans double.
On Wednesday, Obama took on Boehner by name, telling students at the University of Iowa a spokesman in the speaker's office believed the president's focus on student loans is an effort to "distract people from the economy."
The president told a rowdy audience, "Now think about that for a second, because these guys don't get it." He told the cheering crowd, "If you do well, the economy does well. This is about the economy. What economy are they talking about? You are the economy."
A few hours later, Boehner announced a bill, the Friday vote and hit back at the president saying, "This week the president is campaigning and trying to invent a fight where there is none and never has been on this issue of student loans."
The rate on federally subsidized student loans is set to double to 6.8% on July 1 unless Congress passes a bill to extend the current rate at 3.4%. On Tuesday night, Democratic Sens. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Tom Harkin of Iowa and Sherrod Brown of Ohio introduced a Democratic proposal. It would freeze the current interest rate for one year and pay for it by closing a loophole on "S corporations," a tax structure Democrats say can be used to avoid paying Social Security and Medicare taxes.
The Republican proposal also extends the current rate for one year, but it covers the $5.9 billion cost by dipping into a fund in the Affordable Care Act called The Prevention and Public Health Fund. According to health.gov, the fund is intended to promote wellness, prevent disease and protect against public health emergencies.
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi called Boehner's move a "dramatic reversal."
"Just last week, House Republicans overwhelmingly voted again for the (Rep. Paul) Ryan budget, which doubles the interest rate on student loans," she said.
The president has been rallying young audiences by talking about the pending increase in student loan interest rates. Young voters are a crucial demographic for Obama, particularly in swing states.




Both of these articles contain factual information. But Fox's makes the Dems look like the bad guys and CNN's makes the Reps look like the bad guys.

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26-04-2012, 02:57 PM
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(26-04-2012 02:10 PM)kineo Wrote:  Don't forget Fox & Friends.
Fox & Friends...even the title is humorous. Carefully coiffed conservative Christians sitting around discussing the news of the day...ugh. The whole thing feels like church and those mental-midget hosts have the stank of TV preacher all over them.
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26-04-2012, 02:58 PM
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(26-04-2012 02:57 PM)Reality4Me Wrote:  
(26-04-2012 02:10 PM)kineo Wrote:  Don't forget Fox & Friends.
Fox & Friends...even the title is humorous. Carefully coiffed conservative Christians sitting around discussing the news of the day...ugh. The whole thing feels like church and those mental-midget hosts have the stank of TV preacher all over them.
It's just a regular show. They have musical acts, celebrity guests, and it can be funny. Have you ever watched it before?

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26-04-2012, 03:12 PM
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(26-04-2012 02:55 PM)germanyt Wrote:  On the morning and early afternoon show I don't see much slant. And if there is it is absolutely no worse than any other network. There really isn't much, if any non bias news out there. The people who write articles do have an opinion and it's apparent in how the info is worded.
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Both of these articles contain factual information. But Fox's makes the Dems look like the bad guys and CNN's makes the Reps look like the bad guys.

Ok, I agree with you that you won't find a network without any slant at all. Fox just happens to have the motto "fair and balanced" and they are anything but. I just think that they are worse than the rest. They are pushing their slant morning, day, and night. And there should be people out there calling all networks on their lies, for both sides. I don't think it's as innocent as you believe- even less so than the alternatives.

The video playlists I linked (I know you can't watch them from work) really do highlight some bad ones as well as some dumb ones. They're worth watching.
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