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02-04-2013, 10:34 PM
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(02-04-2013 04:08 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Ok this person is actually a good friend of mine and is not stupid at all hes one of the few friends who still talks to me after my deconversion I think hes just been around so much dogma and indoctranation just like I was but I was able to get out.

You need to find a response that, while humorous, makes a point. Something that can be taken both ways. It must be clever, surreptitious and witty all at the same time. Only you know this person and what will work. You have 24 hours to reply to his post. I have faith in you, you can do it!

Be stealthy my friend.

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03-04-2013, 02:44 AM
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(02-04-2013 10:34 PM)Heathen Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 04:08 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Ok this person is actually a good friend of mine and is not stupid at all hes one of the few friends who still talks to me after my deconversion I think hes just been around so much dogma and indoctranation just like I was but I was able to get out.

You need to find a response that, while humorous, makes a point. Something that can be taken both ways. It must be clever, surreptitious and witty all at the same time. Only you know this person and what will work. You have 24 hours to reply to his post. I have faith in you, you can do it!

Be stealthy my friend.

Yes. Since he's a good friend, let him know that you're glad he's figured out some shit that makes him feel good but... it's just not your thing. Tell him you get that he's a Calvinist and you know what that is about.

If he feels that he's not Elect and can't justify hanging with the concept of a supernatural being who's ultimate plan is to roast him for eternity, serial killer or not... tell him he can come hang out with you and your heathen friends.

At some point he'll realize... we're all in the same boat.
Go ahead and use the Calvin(ist) pic I posted... tell him you will back him up 100% if he wants to convert to that Calvinism. Wink

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03-04-2013, 07:50 AM
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...or just take him to lunch.
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03-04-2013, 11:28 AM
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(01-04-2013 03:20 PM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Imagine for instance a serial killer. Ill call him Bob. Bob goes out at night through the streets and targets young people and kills them. After a year he has killed over 3 dozen people. Eventually the police catch him. He is convicted by a judge and sentenced to life imprisonment. This is kinda similar to what happens between us, God, and hell. When God created the world, he made it perfect. But he gave man the ability, or free will, to obey him or disobey him. Adam disobeyed and mankind fell into sin. As a result, every single person sins. God, being holy and just, cannot allow sin to go unpunished. He created a standard, a perfect one, which spells damnation for anyone who disobeys. Since every single person disobeys, EVERY single person deserves to go to hell. That is the only way for God to be perfectly holy an just. Sin must be punished. But, when Jesus came, he took the place of sinners and took the punishment for the saints instead. Now that God's elect has been forgiven, they can enjoy heaven with him. Now you talked about (i think ;D ) that it isnt fair that people like Hitler could be in heaven and people like Gandhi in hell. And you know what, it is difficult for anyone to understand. How can someone so good in this life go to hell simply for unbelief and someone so evil get into heaven. It doesnt seem fair to us. But, if every single person deserves to go top hell and is damned, then it makes since. In fact, what doesnt make sense is to say that God let evil people and enemies of Himself get away with their sin. It would be unjust. But heres another thing. The Bible teaches that there is NOTHING that we can do on our own to get into heaven. Thats right, even BELIEVING that God exists and that Jesus is the messiah does not get you into heaven. It is part of it yes, but that alone is meaningless. The Bible says that demons believe and know that God exists and that Jesus is the messiah, but they are not going to heaven. Here is how it works. First of all, God chooses who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. This is one of the most difficult things that Christians today have believing. How could a loving God send people to hell? But, if everyone is destined to hell in the first place, then it is amazing mercy and love that God turned some people around. I'll admit, it is very difficult to understand. One of the things that I am currently having a hard time wrapping my brain around is people like Mother Teresa. According to the Bible, I dont think she is in heaven. THIS IS HARD!! How can she not be in heaven???? And you know what, we may not be able to understand it. But God is all powerful and perfect. He can do what he likes. After God chooses his elect, then, sometime in that persons life, God will turn him around and save him. From then on, that person is filled with the Spirit, whihc helps him become more godlike. That person develops a relationship with God. THIS is what make Christianity different. We do not get into heaven by following a bunch of rules or believing that Jesus is God. We have a special relationship with Him. Christianity is the only religion in the world where this is the case. So, to sum it all up, yes; hell is hard to understand. But it is necessary.

Thoughts on this?



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03-04-2013, 03:16 PM
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Whats funny about that pic is we both play competitive chess.

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