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12-09-2016, 08:57 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(11-09-2016 10:56 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Aligning isn't apart. Similar things aren't all the same.

Meaning and order are things theists believe. But their believe doesn't overrule the out of the group few who believe things like the universe just always exists and order is just a force akin to gravity being a force. There's no notion that makes that theistc just because other theists may think it too.
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A force that gives a meaningful order to the universe, akin to gravity, etc.. would be a God in a variety of forms of theism, such as platonic theism, or aristotelian theism. Regardless if this force of meaningful order has always existed or not.

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12-09-2016, 09:06 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
Calling oneself an "atheist" and believing in any sort of god seems a total contradiction to me.

Either those people are somewhat screwed in their heads or Pew have screwed the question/response/analysis!

Or people are pulling Pew's pisser.

Bit like saying, "I'm a theist but don't believe in god."

Ah, is it a mis-print? "8% of those who call themselves a theist..."

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12-09-2016, 09:18 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(11-09-2016 04:47 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(11-09-2016 04:27 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  [...]
Such individuals would be akin to the ten percent of atheists who also claim to believe in God, or Christians who claim that Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship, or in other words confused, about the very thing they claim to believe.

This is flat out incorrect. The second someone says they believe in gods or are absolutely certain gods exist, they are not atheists. So the actual number is 0 percent. It is zero. This is because atheism is already defined. If you don’t fit that definition, you’re not an atheist. Simple. So someone who claims to be an atheist, then says god exists is simply wrong about their self-labelling, or willfully lying.

[It's] suspected many people wrongly believe that atheism means having no religion. These people should be corrected, not added to the atheist category of a study.

Rebuttal to Pew Research 3 November 2015

The actual number of self-identify atheists, that also identify as believing in a God of some sort or other, is 8% of them.

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12-09-2016, 09:19 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(11-09-2016 05:01 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(11-09-2016 04:27 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Such individuals would be akin to the ten percent of atheists who also claim to believe in God, or Christians who claim that Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship, or in other words confused, about the very thing they claim to believe.

Well, if Christianity isn't a religion then maybe the government should reexamine their tax exemption status.

It is a religion, just like folks who believe in force that gives meaningful order in the universe, believe in God, whether or not they like the words "religion" or "god".

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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12-09-2016, 10:30 AM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2016 10:36 AM by morondog.)
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 09:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-09-2016 05:01 PM)Aliza Wrote:  Well, if Christianity isn't a religion then maybe the government should reexamine their tax exemption status.

It is a religion, just like folks who believe in force that gives meaningful order in the universe, believe in God, whether or not they like the words "religion" or "god".

You're a gravity worshiper?

ETA: This is actually not a bad idea Big Grin Every time you fall flat on your face you can call it an act of worship.

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12-09-2016, 11:05 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 09:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-09-2016 05:01 PM)Aliza Wrote:  Well, if Christianity isn't a religion then maybe the government should reexamine their tax exemption status.

It is a religion, just like folks who believe in force that gives meaningful order in the universe, believe in God, whether or not they like the words "religion" or "god".

Yes, Christianity is a religion.

The phrase "believing in a force that gives meaningful order in the universe" does not necessarily define a god or a religion.

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12-09-2016, 11:26 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 11:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 09:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  It is a religion, just like folks who believe in force that gives meaningful order in the universe, believe in God, whether or not they like the words "religion" or "god".

Yes, Christianity is a religion.

The phrase "believing in a force that gives meaningful order in the universe" does not necessarily define a god or a religion.

No it defines a God, aligned with a variety of forms of theism, such as platonic theism.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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12-09-2016, 11:29 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 10:30 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 09:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  It is a religion, just like folks who believe in force that gives meaningful order in the universe, believe in God, whether or not they like the words "religion" or "god".

You're a gravity worshiper?

No. Gravity is a hoax.

http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com...-hoax.html

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12-09-2016, 11:32 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
Gravity is a hoax?

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12-09-2016, 11:49 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 11:26 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 11:05 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  Yes, Christianity is a religion.

The phrase "believing in a force that gives meaningful order in the universe" does not necessarily define a god or a religion.

No it defines a God, aligned with a variety of forms of theism, such as platonic theism.

"Platonic Theism" does not seem to be a recognized school of philosophy.

Sounds like you're defining god into a category so broad as to be meaningless.

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