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12-09-2016, 11:49 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 11:32 AM)kim Wrote:  Gravity is a hoax?

Dang. Angel

Huh. Well god is a hoax, so maybe they are the same thing...

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12-09-2016, 11:57 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 08:51 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-09-2016 05:31 AM)Chas Wrote:  What does that even mean? What is a 'negativity bias' and what has that to do with agency detection?

That there no such thing as "agency detection", though there is such as thing as "negativity bias", where finding supportive of negativity bias, are erroneously interpreted as supportive of "agency detection".

That has nothing to do with agency detection or anything else in this discussion.

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12-09-2016, 12:01 PM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 10:30 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 09:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  It is a religion, just like folks who believe in force that gives meaningful order in the universe, believe in God, whether or not they like the words "religion" or "god".

You're a gravity worshiper?

ETA: This is actually not a bad idea Big Grin Every time you fall flat on your face you can call it an act of worship.

That's heavy, man.

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12-09-2016, 12:17 PM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 10:30 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 09:19 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  It is a religion, just like folks who believe in force that gives meaningful order in the universe, believe in God, whether or not they like the words "religion" or "god".

You're a gravity worshiper?

ETA: This is actually not a bad idea Big Grin Every time you fall flat on your face you can call it an act of worship.

Perhaps these monks have found a way of doing this without having to actually fall down?



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12-09-2016, 12:23 PM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 11:49 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  "Platonic Theism" does not seem to be a recognized school of philosophy.

Sounds like you're defining god into a category so broad as to be meaningless.

No, there's platonic theism, scholastic theism, aristotelian theism, etc...which aren't schools of philosophy, but rather different understandings of theism. Many of which don't see God seen as a sort "being" in a general sense.

None this should come as surprise though, because at some level atheists seem to recognize that God concepts are broad, often seen as ambiguous to the point were some atheists, like our good old Bucky define themselves as Ignostics.

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12-09-2016, 12:28 PM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 11:57 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 08:51 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  That there no such thing as "agency detection", though there is such as thing as "negativity bias", where finding supportive of negativity bias, are erroneously interpreted as supportive of "agency detection".

That has nothing to do with agency detection or anything else in this discussion.

Agency detection is a hypothesis, and a flimsy one at that. There no real solid evidence in support of it's existence. We have no particular feature prone to detecting agency than non-agency.

It's just bunk science, only a notch above memetics.

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12-09-2016, 12:30 PM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 12:28 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 11:57 AM)Chas Wrote:  That has nothing to do with agency detection or anything else in this discussion.

Agency detection is a hypothesis, and a flimsy one at that. There no real solid evidence in support of it's existence. We have no particular feature prone to detecting agency than non-agency.

It's just bunk science, only a notch above memetics.

Do you even Google?
Try it and you will find that you are yet again wrong. Facepalm

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12-09-2016, 12:33 PM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 12:30 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 12:28 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Agency detection is a hypothesis, and a flimsy one at that. There no real solid evidence in support of it's existence. We have no particular feature prone to detecting agency than non-agency.

It's just bunk science, only a notch above memetics.

Do you even Google?
Try it and you will find that you are yet again wrong. Facepalm

I do, and I told you the evidence often used in support of the existence agency detection, has nothing to do with agency, but threats, etc. all of which goes with negativity bias, not agency detection.

Such as in the example used in your wikipedia article: "For example, if a human came across an indentation in the ground that might be a lion's footprint, it is advantageous to err on the side of caution and assume that the lion is present."

An example of negativity bias, favoring perception of a threat, over a non-threat. Not agent over non-agent, but threat over non-threat.

If you want to argue that agency detection exists, prove it. The burden of proof falls on you, so get to work old man.

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12-09-2016, 02:17 PM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(12-09-2016 12:33 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 12:30 PM)Chas Wrote:  Do you even Google?
Try it and you will find that you are yet again wrong. Facepalm

I do, and I told you the evidence often used in support of the existence agency detection, has nothing to do with agency, but threats, etc. all of which goes with negativity bias, not agency detection.

Such as in the example used in your wikipedia article: "For example, if a human came across an indentation in the ground that might be a lion's footprint, it is advantageous to err on the side of caution and assume that the lion is present."

An example of negativity bias, favoring perception of a threat, over a non-threat. Not agent over non-agent, but threat over non-threat.

If you want to argue that agency detection exists, prove it. The burden of proof falls on you, so get to work old man.

Perceiving a threat and assigning agency is only one example of agency detection.
Typical of you to cherry-pick, though.

How about Michael Shermer?

Or maybe just check the references in this article?

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12-09-2016, 02:46 PM
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(12-09-2016 12:23 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, there's platonic theism, scholastic theism, aristotelian theism, etc...which aren't schools of philosophy, but rather different understandings of theism. Many of which don't see God seen as a sort "being" in a general sense.

I've done multiple searches and come up with nothing but the most peripheral links. For example, there are articles platonic theories and theism, but the only article on platonic theism is a dissertation by Paul Gould.

So I am forced to conclude that it is yet more meaningless chatter from theists trying to justify their beliefs.

(12-09-2016 12:23 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  None this should come as surprise though, because at some level atheists seem to recognize that God concepts are broad, often seen as ambiguous to the point were some atheists, like our good old Bucky define themselves as Ignostics.

It doesn't surprise me the lengths that people will go to find a god somewhere. I place them in the same group as people who see a light move in the night sky and scream "ufo" or hear a twig break in the forest and yell "bigfoot".

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