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19-09-2016, 01:03 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(18-09-2016 07:21 PM)Randy Ruggles Wrote:  Are you beginning to see a pattern here? (What am I saying? Of course you're not. You're atheopaths.) Wink

Now, are there different "categories" of atheists or not? I am asking because you dirty, lying piece of shit troll keep jumping around between these different claims from page to page in this thread.

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19-09-2016, 01:05 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(19-09-2016 12:33 AM)morondog Wrote:  Please in your own words state your understanding of the scientific method and why we use it to obtain knowledge instead of praying to God.

I read through the introduction of his book. His biggest problem with science appears to be that it fucking works. Dodgy

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19-09-2016, 01:07 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(18-09-2016 08:01 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Funny you should mention it, Randy... I was just wondering how the fuck you sleep at night, knowing what a practitioner of douchebaggery you are.

I'm not just insulting you, here... I really was wondering. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I routinely misrepresented facts, misquoted scientists, and based my worldview on the biggest case of confirmation bias in the history of pop psychology.

He can sleep, because he has a genetic disorder. Its called aratiopathy. He just cant be rational, its not possible to him. So its not his fault at all that he is an irrational lying piece of shit.

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19-09-2016, 05:51 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(18-09-2016 01:10 PM)Randy Ruggles Wrote:  Last night, I emailed three experts, Paul Bloom, Deb Kellemen, and Justin Barrett and asked them two questions [...]

For a fuller explanation of Bloom's hypotheses, refer THIS site. Bloom is very self-opinionated, and I couldn't find any actual evidence that supports his claim that "at birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness". Until I see empirical evidence, I tend to ignore singular notions such as this, particularity as you can hardly survey 1-day-old babies! I also disagree with this claim, in part because it comes from a psychologist living in an academic vacuum.

Deborah Kelemen (note spelling!) says "Separate bodies of research suggest that young children have a broad tendency to reason about natural phenomena in terms of purpose and an orientation toward intention-based accounts of the origins of natural entities... Rather than being "artificialists" in Piagetian terms, are children "intuitive theists"—disposed to view natural phenomena as resulting from nonhuman design? A review of research on children's concepts of agency, imaginary companions, and understanding of artifacts suggests that by the time children are around 5 years of age, this description of them may have explanatory value and practical relevance". Keleman has never claimed that neonatals possess any of the qualities that Bloom claims.

Justin Barrett is described as an "an observant Christian who believes in an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfectly good God who brought the universe into being, and that the purpose for people is to love God and love each other". He considers that Christian theology teaches that people were crafted by God to be in a loving relationship with him and other people. Why wouldn’t God, then, design us in such a way as to find belief in divinity quite natural?" Because of this, his opinions on the mindsets of neonatals can be totally discounted as fatally flawed.

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19-09-2016, 06:18 AM (This post was last modified: 19-09-2016 06:24 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(15-09-2016 01:53 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Let's speak in the context of evolution and living things and their body parts.

What purpose does a heart have?
It's a pump. A biological pump. It moves blood around the body. We can define that as being its purpose. We don't mean to say that someone set out to design a pump. That is childish thinking.

What you would be doing here, is using the language of designed/engineered objects, for non-engineered, non-design biological object is. You're borrowing from the language of intentionality, for non-intentional objects. What would be meant by purpose here, would be metaphorical, rather than literal. Using purpose in a literal/or teleological way here, would be false, as opposed to if the term were used to describe the parts of a watch.

To say that the heart serves the purpose of moving blood around the body, would be no different than saying the purpose of the puddle is to get my feet wet.

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19-09-2016, 06:28 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(18-09-2016 02:18 PM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  [...] I'm opposed to the catholic church because of their pedophile infestations. On the other hand I am
apathetic towards the Jewish religion because they mind their own business and don't protect pedophiles.

Unfortunately, this is not the case here in Australia...

Rabbis' Absolute Power: How Sex Abuse Tore Apart Australia's Orthodox Jewish Community.

"The cast is Jewish, yet the bones of this story are familiar to anyone who has followed the scandal of child abuse in Christian schools and parishes. Rabbis and bishops have shown over the years much the same failings when faced with a choice between guarding the prestige of their faiths and the safety of children. This story is about the dangers in any cult of blind obedience to holy men".

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19-09-2016, 06:44 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(19-09-2016 06:18 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  [...] To say that the heart serves the purpose of moving blood around the body, would be no different than saying the purpose of the puddle is to get my feet wet.

This single sentence confirms that you don't understand the meaning of teleology.

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19-09-2016, 06:49 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(19-09-2016 01:07 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(18-09-2016 08:01 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Funny you should mention it, Randy... I was just wondering how the fuck you sleep at night, knowing what a practitioner of douchebaggery you are.

I'm not just insulting you, here... I really was wondering. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I routinely misrepresented facts, misquoted scientists, and based my worldview on the biggest case of confirmation bias in the history of pop psychology.

He can sleep, because he has a genetic disorder. Its called aratiopathy. He just cant be rational, its not possible to him. So its not his fault at all that he is an irrational lying piece of shit.

Is fundiopathy a part of aratiopathy? Seems it should be, the inability to be rational afflicts than just religious fundamentalists..

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19-09-2016, 08:51 AM (This post was last modified: 19-09-2016 03:42 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(18-09-2016 07:16 PM)Randy Ruggles Wrote:  Now, I have a hypothesis that can be tested. Low dopamine levels are also associated with sleeping disorders. How are you sleeping, guys?

Very well. We sleep very well. Thanks for demonstrating you profound ignorance of the topics involved here. You are no threat to anything. It's a well known fact in Neuro-science that various drugs alter the way the brain works, and the circulating levels of some of them, in part, may depend on genetics. Your analogy is FALSE. (Of course you have no science education, so you wouldn't get that). That the fact concerning drugs is recognized, is NO SUPPORT to your pathetic notion. It is NOT a fact that complex ideas, which have multiple complex components which are, of necessity LEARNED, (and are IN NO WAY similar to circulating drugs/chemicals) are related to single genes or gene complexes.

You sir, and your childish, biased, ignorant notions no threat to rational people's sleep. That's a problem only in you own mind. You have delusions of grandeur, as well as the fact you suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome. Your snake oil may sell in some quarters. It doesn't here.

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19-09-2016, 09:10 AM
RE: Feedback requested on a new hypothesis on the origin of atheism
(19-09-2016 06:44 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(19-09-2016 06:18 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  [...] To say that the heart serves the purpose of moving blood around the body, would be no different than saying the purpose of the puddle is to get my feet wet.

This single sentence confirms that you don't understand the meaning of teleology.

No I do, I doubt folks like yourself do.

If you think you know more than I do here on it's meaning, please expand on what a "telos" is, what it means for an object to have an end purpose.

And then let me know if biological objects like the heart have a "telos". And also let me know as an atheists, if you believe teleology exists in nature?

I'm all ears. This should be fun.

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