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24-03-2017, 11:34 AM
Feel Unrepresented by the US 2-Party System?
I would venture to guess that the vast majority of US citizens are neither Bible-Thumping Oligarchs nor Genderless Social Justice Warriors. So why are these the major parties we have and what do we do about it?

My feeling is it's because this is how the donors who hold the purse-strings want it. They want the working people divided along social ideological lines so we won't come together and advocate for our own economic interests. They don't want anyone to really love either major party, they want us to tolerate one and be scared shitless of the other.

Thoughts?
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24-03-2017, 12:58 PM
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I think there should be more parties. They can form alliances and such, like they do in other countries.

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24-03-2017, 01:15 PM
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The only thing the two parties agree on is that there should be only two parties. Check out the election laws and the hurdles they create and you will see the problem.

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24-03-2017, 01:25 PM
Feel Unrepresented by the US 2-Party System?
I love the US 2 party system. In Canada we have 5 or 6. It makes it hard to get things done at times. At times parties join on both sides of centre. It splits votes. Too watered down in my opinion. What is shocking in the Canadian system is the liberals just won 100 percent of power with only 39.5 percent of the vote. First past the post system.


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24-03-2017, 01:35 PM
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I won't even consider either of the two major parties as options anymore and that was before the Trump/Hillary shitshow.

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24-03-2017, 01:55 PM
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Quote:They want the working people divided along social ideological lines so we won't come together and advocate for our own economic interests

Maybe, but that seems pretty hard to plan for in a conspiratorial sense.

It's just money is power and power means access to legislation. The main weapon the ultra-rich have is the state. And it's democracy itself that gives legitimacy to the state. But you'll never win without name recognition and name recognition costs money. Money money money. Money to get elected and far more money to actually get legislation passed. It's not exactly a conspiracy that the rich campaign and legislate in their self interest. And people don't really vote that much based on policy. People vote from the gut. And their guts are stupid and buy into slick campaigns. The more people vote the safer it is to bet on ill-informed foolish people who will buy any bullshit if it's dressed up correctly. Think about all the people who supported the bailouts for the banks and the auto-industry. The housing market crashed because the banks gave way too many predatory loans and when there was massive defaults the bankers took the bailouts and gave themselves huge bonuses. As if there wasn't any other way that wealth could have been distributed to help the people who lost their homes and/or jobs. Even after the auto-industry was bailed they still didn't have pay the pensions they reneged on. It's incredible to me that these people can even leave their homes safely. But they have the money and they advertise it as what must be done for the common man. We're frantically funneling money upwards to prop up horribly corrupt institutions under the incredibly brainwashed belief that it must be done to save our economy.

College tuition has become a scam.

Banks run all sorts of scams.

Health care is an absolute trap that catches everyone. But still they drill it in our heads about competition and free markets. Even though we have better examples of what to do all over the industrialized world. We pay the most for the least. And we INSIST on it.

Then there's the debt and our military budget. At some point our debt will devalue our currency causing huge inflation and destroying the living conditions of millions. But who do people vote for? whoever is more obsessed with pumping infinite dollars into this insanity. And Americans love it. We associate our military to liberation instead of oppression. With the right marketing people will vote for anything.

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24-03-2017, 03:11 PM
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24-03-2017, 03:57 PM
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(24-03-2017 11:34 AM)Mr. Boston Wrote:  I would venture to guess that the vast majority of US citizens are neither Bible-Thumping Oligarchs nor Genderless Social Justice Warriors. So why are these the major parties we have and what do we do about it?

My feeling is it's because this is how the donors who hold the purse-strings want it. They want the working people divided along social ideological lines so we won't come together and advocate for our own economic interests. They don't want anyone to really love either major party, they want us to tolerate one and be scared shitless of the other.

Thoughts?

I think the problem with a 2 party system is the exact opposite of what you stated. Rpublicans and Democrats cater to extremely large diverse groups. A Republican voter might be a right wing libertarian, neo-conservateur businessman, a Bible-Thumping poor, a fiscal conservative or an authoritarian right wing Imperialist. On the other side the Democrat voter might be a left wing libertarian, a socio-democrat social worker, a hippy, a Bible-Thumping poor, an humanitarian interventionist, a social reformer. All these voters can have a very different vision and interest yet they vote for the same party. Both party are affraid to disolve themselves in a few more focused branch by fear they will lose election to a wider coalition. The proper of a good democratie is that no one can be fully satisfied, but nobody should be so pissed they are ready to take drastic measures. It's a fragile equilibrium that reside at the fulcrum of everybody's interests.

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24-03-2017, 04:47 PM
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Lobbyists and Citizens United need to be upended first, IMO.

There's not a third party that works for me, but I would love four or five parties and a president whose job was to manage all of them.

My ideal party would have socialist, liberal, and pragmatic (that is, best practices) elements with regulated/monitored capitalism on the side.
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24-03-2017, 05:00 PM
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Quote:Lobbyists and Citizens United need to be upended first, IMO

A strong justification for Citizens United being allowed to continue what they do is the 1st Amendment.

I'm not saying I disagree with you but when I heard it explained I could see why it's a dilemma for the courts.
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