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07-08-2014, 10:13 PM
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08-08-2014, 01:59 AM
RE: Feminists now hijacking atheism? WTF?
(07-08-2014 04:57 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  You're confusing feminism with the radicals out there who actually do hate men, and they are giving feminism a bad name. It's easy to understand why you're confused on this point. The radicals are very loud.

And those radicals are angry because they can't discriminate in the same way that someone like Antitheist007 can.

They're thankfully a minority now and as the new saying goes, on the wrong side of history.
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08-08-2014, 04:34 AM
RE: Feminists now hijacking atheism? WTF?
Here is an example of actual feminism.

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24-08-2014, 06:19 PM
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There are problems I have with feminism.
First, the term is exclusionary. I call myself a gender egalitarian as this does not exclude males.
Second, as previously mentioned, feminism never deals with male injustice.
Third, if you disagree with feminism, you are labelled misogynist. If feminism is about everyone, then why aren't you a misanthropist?
Fourth, equality doesn't mean the same. Men and women can be equal but have different attributes. Saying this does not make me a misogynist. There are biological differences in the sexes and these extrapolate to behaviours. If biology doesn't affect behaviour, then you must believe in a soul. If that is the case, prove it exists.
Fifth, the ad hominem attacks against anybody who is a white man. If that is the only retort, you have admitted you have no argument.
Sixth, the hatred of sexuality. Oh my god she wore a skimpy outfit and somebody took her picture! Oppression!
Seventh, the way they turn issues that affect issues involving both genders into women's issues. Rape, sexual assault and domestic violence affect both genders (also more similarly than feminists would have you believe).
Eighth, the counter arguments and reactions to those issues when the gender is swapped. "Men are stronger and so can defend themselves"
Ninth, the internal inconsistency of whether men and women are equal in every aspect. It seems to be whatever suits their arguments.
Tenth, their reactions to criticism. Most prominent feminists and feminist-associated groups like freethoughtblogs and atheism + are very strong on censorship of criticism. And then the best you wil get are the aforementioned ad hominem arguments. Some feminists even go to the length of saying their criticism proves their point (which is a confirmational bias) or claim they are being bullied, including one feminist who claimed she got PTSD from twitter!
Eleven, it is an ideology. Ideologies by their very nature are designed to fail.
Twelve, it has a dangerous cult-like in-group/out-group mentality. Feminist or misogynist. It is a false dichotomy.
Thirteen, they never act on what they claim to stand for. Equal rights my ass. If that is feminism, almost all of the feminists I have encountered aren't feminists.

If somebody points out a fallacy, and you call fallacy fallacy, that doesn't mean you are right. That just means you committed the very fallacy you accused your opponent of.
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24-08-2014, 07:34 PM
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(24-08-2014 06:19 PM)spinosauruskin Wrote:  First, the term is exclusionary. I call myself a gender egalitarian as this does not exclude males.

This I like.

As for the rest of it - you are so pumped full of prejudices and stereotypes, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about anymore.

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25-08-2014, 08:21 AM
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(24-08-2014 06:19 PM)spinosauruskin Wrote:  There are problems I have with feminism.
First, the term is exclusionary. I call myself a gender egalitarian as this does not exclude males.
Second, as previously mentioned, feminism never deals with male injustice.
Third, if you disagree with feminism, you are labelled misogynist. If feminism is about everyone, then why aren't you a misanthropist?
Fourth, equality doesn't mean the same. Men and women can be equal but have different attributes. Saying this does not make me a misogynist. There are biological differences in the sexes and these extrapolate to behaviours. If biology doesn't affect behaviour, then you must believe in a soul. If that is the case, prove it exists.
Fifth, the ad hominem attacks against anybody who is a white man. If that is the only retort, you have admitted you have no argument.
Sixth, the hatred of sexuality. Oh my god she wore a skimpy outfit and somebody took her picture! Oppression!
Seventh, the way they turn issues that affect issues involving both genders into women's issues. Rape, sexual assault and domestic violence affect both genders (also more similarly than feminists would have you believe).
Eighth, the counter arguments and reactions to those issues when the gender is swapped. "Men are stronger and so can defend themselves"
Ninth, the internal inconsistency of whether men and women are equal in every aspect. It seems to be whatever suits their arguments.
Tenth, their reactions to criticism. Most prominent feminists and feminist-associated groups like freethoughtblogs and atheism + are very strong on censorship of criticism. And then the best you wil get are the aforementioned ad hominem arguments. Some feminists even go to the length of saying their criticism proves their point (which is a confirmational bias) or claim they are being bullied, including one feminist who claimed she got PTSD from twitter!
Eleven, it is an ideology. Ideologies by their very nature are designed to fail.
Twelve, it has a dangerous cult-like in-group/out-group mentality. Feminist or misogynist. It is a false dichotomy.
Thirteen, they never act on what they claim to stand for. Equal rights my ass. If that is feminism, almost all of the feminists I have encountered aren't feminists.

This is your only point I take issue with. Essentially every idea on how society should work is an ideology. Are ideas about society themselves doomed to fail?

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26-08-2014, 12:39 PM
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(25-08-2014 08:21 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  Eleven, it is an ideology. Ideologies by their very nature are designed to fail.

This is your only point I take issue with. Essentially every idea on how society should work is an ideology. Are ideas about society themselves doomed to fail?
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What I mean by an ideology is when there is dogma attached, and a central view on society oversimplified and cannot be criticised e.g. Libertarianism, Communism, National Socialism. Most deal with scapegoating and have a single central problem. If there is no longer that central problem, or it is too benign to deal with anymore, or never existed in the first place, then the ideology is going to fail.
If you are pragmatic, if you are willing to change your mind when someone comes along with a better view, then I would say you don't submit to ideology.

The best way to determine whether somebody submits to an ideology, ask them about their endpoint. What will the world look like after all objectives are completed?

I am not fully sure if that is the actual definition of ideology, but that was the spirit of the term. If this doesn't fit the definition, is there a better term to use?

If somebody points out a fallacy, and you call fallacy fallacy, that doesn't mean you are right. That just means you committed the very fallacy you accused your opponent of.
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26-08-2014, 12:40 PM
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(24-08-2014 07:34 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(24-08-2014 06:19 PM)spinosauruskin Wrote:  First, the term is exclusionary. I call myself a gender egalitarian as this does not exclude males.

This I like.

As for the rest of it - you are so pumped full of prejudices and stereotypes, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about anymore.

Just showing my experience of modern feminism.
If I am wrong, please give examples of what you mean.

If somebody points out a fallacy, and you call fallacy fallacy, that doesn't mean you are right. That just means you committed the very fallacy you accused your opponent of.
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26-08-2014, 12:52 PM
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26-08-2014, 12:59 PM
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I R IN UR ATHEISM

HIJACKIN' IT...

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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