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14-08-2014, 06:14 PM
RE: Ferguson, Missouri for the past few days...
(14-08-2014 06:11 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  People are getting upset that the cops are using riot control methods to control... A riot.

The problem is the definition of riot is different for darkies than white criminals like Cliven Bundy.

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14-08-2014, 06:19 PM
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(14-08-2014 06:14 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 06:11 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  People are getting upset that the cops are using riot control methods to control... A riot.

The problem is the definition of riot is different for darkies than white criminals like Cliven Bundy.

I think a gas station being burnt down, looting, and shots fired at officers constitutes a riot worthy police intervention regardless of race. Did I miss something? Lol totally being serious, I'm missing something here... Huh

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14-08-2014, 06:24 PM
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(14-08-2014 05:37 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(13-08-2014 12:12 PM)Miss Suzanne Wrote:  I haven't seen anyone posting about this and honestly, I don't know if it's world news or even nation-wide but I'm sharing it anyways because if I'm hearing about the crazy going down in my home state, you guys have to too! In all honestly, I am not the best at explaining things but I'm going to try to explain it anyways. Then provide you with a few articles. Alright? Alright.

So a few days ago in Ferguson, MO ( near St.Louis), a police officer shot and killed 18 year old Michael Brown, an African American, for no real reason other than discrimination. Since news broke out about Brown's death, it has gone crazy. A Quick Trip near the scene of the death was burnt to the ground as well as rubber bullets being fired. Riots against the police and police being shot. Threats are being given to the City Hall and Police Station.Among the crazys are more peaceful protesters/riots, consisting of a mass of people walking down the road with their hands raised shouting, "don't shoot" or standing on the side of the road with signs that read "honk for justice" and many cars honking as they drive by. All in all, people are demanding the name of the officer that killed Brown. The name is being withheld but, seeing how the events around this story are constantly progressing and becoming more violent, there's no telling how long they'll hold off on giving the name of the officer.

I'm sure I'm missing over stuff. Here's a few articles I found. Feel free to provide more that you find. Of course, feel free to share your reaction and thoughts regarding Micheal Brown's death and the everything unfolding since then.

Unrest Continues

New Police Shooting

Shooter's Name Withheld After Threats, Police Say

Obama Calls for Reflection

I am in no way defending the actions of the police in this case, however, as a ex cop in Florida I have learned to evaluate things a bit. Whenever this situation happens there is the frothing media frenzy where they will splash "unarmed black teen gunned down by police!" as it serves their needs very well, draw in viewers. Witnesses say there was a struggle at the cop car between the victim and the cop, the cop claims the 18yo pushed him back in the car and hit him in the face. The cop has a swollen spot on his face to potentially substantiate that. Then the next thing people saw was the cop push him back and draw his weapon firing a round into the 18yo who was at that point turning and running away. INTERJECTION: This is where the cop screwed up, he can not articulate he was fighting for his life, defending himself or striving to retain ownership of his weapon when the victim had his back turned and was running. The victim at that point up to being shot had committed assault on an officer, but that doesn't constitute deadly force as he was turned and running away. Then allegedly upon being shot, he stopped, raised his hands and turned around, and the officer shot him until he dropped. That is murder in the first degree if that is true. Forensics will do a lot to assist in the fact finding.

My point is, let the facts come out, then put this potential murdering cop where he belongs. I don't condone his actions clearly in anyway, but realize the media and public love to instantly blame the cops (right in this incident in my opinion)while loudly proclaiming timmy was walking home from sunday school and the big bad racist cops got out of their car, planted drugs on him and then shot him for no reason. The whole time the mom will be wailing about "they shot my baby, he was a good boy, he goes to church and everything, not my baby".....their "baby" ends up not being such a choir boy a lot of the time, but moms are blind to the crimes of their kids. In THIS case, it seems while he was not a choir boy, and had the balls to aggressively fight the police, he didn't violate anything that authorized deadly force and I am pretty certain the cop is going to go down for it, as he should, BUT lets let the evidence come to light.

Meanwhile, looting all the nearby stores for tvs and tires will definitely set things right.

I do agree on letting the facts come out. What really gets to me about this situation is how everything exploded as a result of this death. Tear gas on protesters, attacks on police, all those things going on now that make the area look like a war zone. I agree along with my co-workers that there's been tension building around racism in that area and the death was a spark that set this crazy stuff all off. As for the cop, though I certainly don't agree with his actions, I would be tempted to relocate him through the FBI or something before releasing the name that way he's safe while more facts come out. Though if they have the name without any knowledge of where he is, I don't know what they'll do.

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14-08-2014, 06:38 PM
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(14-08-2014 06:19 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 06:14 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  The problem is the definition of riot is different for darkies than white criminals like Cliven Bundy.

I think a gas station being burnt down, looting, and shots fired at officers constitutes a riot worthy police intervention regardless of race. Did I miss something? Lol totally being serious, I'm missing something here... Huh

Nope. A few miscreants does not a riot make. A proper police force if it was any damn good would be able to arrest the miscreants without gassing an entire crowd of peaceful protesters. These popo are incompetent and should never have been given military shit. I've lived through riots and these protesters are not rioters. This is all about racism.

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14-08-2014, 07:01 PM (This post was last modified: 14-08-2014 07:09 PM by HU.Junyuan.)
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(14-08-2014 06:11 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  The spark which ignited the fuse is incidental at this point GodlessGood. DOJ's on that. It's now all about the racist response by the popo. Goddam the darkies are collecting on the street. Bring out the MRAPS and the .50 cal. Reminds me of this.

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I heard about that there were tanks on the street in Ferguson. Considering China is an authoritarian country and the US is a free and democratic one, I bet there should be many more than one carrying shopping bags standing in front of those icons of tyranny.Yes

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14-08-2014, 07:11 PM
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It is things like this why I hate cops.

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14-08-2014, 07:24 PM (This post was last modified: 14-08-2014 08:00 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Ferguson, Missouri for the past few days...
(14-08-2014 06:11 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 05:37 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I am in no way defending the actions of the police in this case, however, as a ex cop in Florida I have learned to evaluate things a bit. Whenever this situation happens there is the frothing media frenzy where they will splash "unarmed black teen gunned down by police!" as it serves their needs very well, draw in viewers. Witnesses say there was a struggle at the cop car between the victim and the cop, the cop claims the 18yo pushed him back in the car and hit him in the face. The cop has a swollen spot on his face to potentially substantiate that. Then the next thing people saw was the cop push him back and draw his weapon firing a round into the 18yo who was at that point turning and running away. INTERJECTION: This is where the cop screwed up, he can not articulate he was fighting for his life, defending himself or striving to retain ownership of his weapon when the victim had his back turned and was running. The victim at that point up to being shot had committed assault on an officer, but that doesn't constitute deadly force as he was turned and running away. Then allegedly upon being shot, he stopped, raised his hands and turned around, and the officer shot him until he dropped. That is murder in the first degree if that is true. Forensics will do a lot to assist in the fact finding.

My point is, let the facts come out, then put this potential murdering cop where he belongs. I don't condone his actions clearly in anyway, but realize the media and public love to instantly blame the cops (right in this incident in my opinion)while loudly proclaiming timmy was walking home from sunday school and the big bad racist cops got out of their car, planted drugs on him and then shot him for no reason. The whole time the mom will be wailing about "they shot my baby, he was a good boy, he goes to church and everything, not my baby".....their "baby" ends up not being such a choir boy a lot of the time, but moms are blind to the crimes of their kids. In THIS case, it seems while he was not a choir boy, and had the balls to aggressively fight the police, he didn't violate anything that authorized deadly force and I am pretty certain the cop is going to go down for it, as he should, BUT lets let the evidence come to light.

Meanwhile, looting all the nearby stores for tvs and tires will definitely set things right.

The spark which ignited the fuse is incidental at this point GodlessGood. DOJ's on that. It's now all about the racist response by the popo. Goddam the darkies are collecting on the street. Bring out the MRAPS and the .50 cal. Reminds me of this.

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I don't doubt there is a large racist issue there, most likely on both sides as one tends to feed off the other, ignorance begets ignorance. I am merely stating let the feds do the forensics, until the facts come out, lets not try him in the public court of opinion, he will inevitably get his day in court. This appears to be an actual horrific crime on the part of the police, and yes, subconscious or conscious racist views may have been a big part of his over reaction and potentially murderous deed. In the meantime, no one needs to be breaking into stores and stealing tires, that isn't outrage, that is just people taking advantage of a situation and using it as an excuse to steal shit. Thumbsup

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14-08-2014, 07:29 PM
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(14-08-2014 07:11 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  It is things like this why I hate cops.

How about, "it is things like this why I hate ignorant racist cops"...that may be more accurate. Not all cops are racist, ignorant pieces of shit. They have the hardest job in the nation, have everything they do questioned and scrutinized, field and defend against hundreds of BS made up allegations by the people they arrest, and when it is unfounded, it STILL goes in your record, then now we have all these dumbass anti government wackos trying to kill cops because they delusionally believe they are the second coming of george washington.

I have served beside some outstanding cops, and I have seen some absolute dumbasses as well. Like any other demographic group, you have your good and your bad, your smart and your stupid, your ethical and immoral. The biggest challenge for a cop is not falling into what we call the "us versus them" mentality, because when you deal with the bottom 5% of the population all day, all of which lie through their teeth, you tend to look askew at everyone, and that is wrong, and that leads to overly aggressive cops, and a bad intra-community relationship.

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14-08-2014, 07:35 PM (This post was last modified: 14-08-2014 07:45 PM by TheGulegon.)
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(14-08-2014 05:49 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  Obama:
"I know the events of the past few days have prompted strong passions, but as details unfold, I urge everyone in Ferguson, MO, and across the country, to remember this young man through reflection and understanding"... Blink

If President Johnson was willing to send National Guard TROOPS into Alabama once upon a time, I'd like to see Obama willing to at least send some federal investigators into Missouri, now-a-days.

The idea being that if (and only if) the local authorities are "dragging their feet", so to speak, maybe a FBI agent without ties to the community might have more success getting the case resolved. I think the suggestion, made out loud by the President, that the Federal Gov. is willing to do that, would be better than a call for prayer.

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14-08-2014, 07:36 PM
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(14-08-2014 07:24 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 06:11 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  The spark which ignited the fuse is incidental at this point GodlessGood. DOJ's on that. It's now all about the racist response by the popo. Goddam the darkies are collecting on the street. Bring out the MRAPS and the .50 cal. Reminds me of this.

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I don't doubt there is a large racist issue there, most likely on both sides as one tends to feed off the other, ignorance begets ignorance. I am merely stating let the feds do the forensics, until the facts come out, lets not try him in the public court of opinion, he will inevitably get his day in court. Unlike the treyvon martin BS case, this appears to be an actual horrific crime on the part of the police, and yes, subconscious or conscious racist views may have been a big part of his over reaction and potentially murderous deed. In the meantime, no one needs to be breaking into stores and stealing tires, that isn't outrage, that is just people taking advantage of a situation and using it as an excuse to steal shit. Thumbsup

Yeah, the incident that sparked it is now under investigation by the DOJ and FBI. But that's not the story at this point. Ferguson's police response is worse than Tiananmen Square. Tank Man made them realize restraint. Popo ain't showing much restraint in Ferguson.

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