Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
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14-02-2015, 10:29 AM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
(13-02-2015 11:01 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  ... are so one demential.

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14-02-2015, 10:58 AM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
Nope. Didn't/won't read the book or see the movie - not into SMBD which, from what I gather, has been given the superficial trauma treatment to sell, sell, sell.

I just hope this doesn't spark a similar rash of trash I'll have to wade through to find my mindless entertainment.

If I'm forced to sit through this movie out of curiosity, does that mean I'm submissive? Blink

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14-02-2015, 11:22 AM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
(14-02-2015 09:47 AM)Blackout Wrote:  
(14-02-2015 09:11 AM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  Yeah but it's fiction. It didn't really happen.
Also I'd say if you write you should make the characters exactly how you intend to make them.
Besides who's to say that the characters don't represent something about the author. That's very likely to be the case. Perhaps in her fantasy she is the lady in the story. Hell perhaps she's the guy..

The argument that it's "fiction" is not really valid because what the media depicts affects our perceptions on reality. If I grow up watching TV series where the black guys are criminals or villains, I am more likely to hold negative stereotypes about black people. Not everything necessarily affects our perceptions, it depends on the context. You can create the most violent series ever and still not promote negative standards if you know how to portray values.

Yes I agree that media, fiction or not affects perception.
As a kid I watched many shows that were horribly sexist. Star Trek comes to mind. But I'm not a sexist. I used my ability to think for myself.
What I would like to know is what is it about 50 Shades that might influence us. My wife tells me that the lady consented to whatever the guy wanted to do. Whether the dom/sub relationship is realistic or not doesn't seem important.
Even if the woman didn't consent and the guy got away with it doesn't seem important to me. The story is what it is. The writter and the media in my opinion cannot be held responsible for the perceptions of the masses. We are, or should be responsible for our own ideas.
But I didn't read it. Perhaps the writter intended to promote the idea that women have a place they should stay in but I doubt it.
Let's imagine for a moment that everything in the story is absolutely true. What then would our perceptions be?
I dunno. I just think a bunch of people protesting a movie is just silly. If they don't want to watch it there is a simple solution.
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14-02-2015, 12:15 PM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
(14-02-2015 09:47 AM)Blackout Wrote:  If I grow up watching TV series where the black guys are criminals or villains, I am more likely to hold negative stereotypes about black people.

Uhm Consider that sounds a bit far-fetched. I'm sure that some individuals might be easier to "manipulate" but if you were referring to the teen years, your critical reasoning skills should ensure that you don't believe everything literally in a tv series.

It could be interesting to know what studies say about it, though.

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14-02-2015, 12:22 PM
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You people are twisting my words - I'm not saying every single show or every single piece of media will promote an -ism and that the media should be held accountable... All I'm saying is that media portrayals affects all of us in some sort of way.

The Polyglot Atheist, my critical thinking is important as well, but if I grow up watching that kind of shows and no one tells me that the portrayal is wrong I'll internalize the idea that some of it is true. This has been studied and has been proven from time to time - Messages of the media are ingrained in our minds even if we refuse to accept it.

I'm not saying that this particular film is -ist because I haven't watched. I'm not saying that one individual film/book makes a difference - But if there's an habit of portraying a specific group worse then we'll eventually start thinking there's some truth in it.

It's not relevant if it's fiction or not - When we are watching fiction we, for a moment, imagine that it is "true" (in our minds) and fiction can serve as an excellent description of real life situations.

Let's use an example but reversed - Most of us probably have a favourite film or TV series - Many times the characters, story, values and so on taught us something, some lesson was learned, for some people a movie can be a life changing experience their perspective. For me, many movies promote important values that I cherish, like respect, hard-work, compassion, diversity, tolerance, friendship, etc. These movies have affected me positively and this happens to a lot of people. Not reverse this - Think about what a negative constant stereotype might do to people.

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14-02-2015, 12:29 PM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
(14-02-2015 09:30 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I hope for its sake it is better than the flick 9 and a half weeks. I am pretty certain it's the worst, at least technically sound film, I have ever seen. The only terms I could describe it with is, Yuppie Porn. But it's the same plot of a wealthy hot guy taking this naive women into a romantic hold then the bsdm life of him shines out. But it's from and stereotypically 80s new york.

But both of my sisters read the book. One proclaimed the book was pretty tame, the other was shocked she happened to say that after reading it herself.. But the one who thought it was tame has read a lot more books, so potentially its in comparison to other things.

9-1/2 weeks has a great soundtrack. That's the best I can say about it. Oh, and Mickey Rourke sure looked better back then.

I will read 50 Shades when I get bored enough to read Twilight...which I figure means never unless all other books poof into non-existence.

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14-02-2015, 12:59 PM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
(14-02-2015 12:22 PM)Blackout Wrote:  You people are twisting my words - I'm not saying every single show or every single piece of media will promote an -ism and that the media should be held accountable... All I'm saying is that media portrayals affects all of us in some sort of way.

The Polyglot Atheist, my critical thinking is important as well, but if I grow up watching that kind of shows and no one tells me that the portrayal is wrong I'll internalize the idea that some of it is true. This has been studied and has been proven from time to time - Messages of the media are ingrained in our minds even if we refuse to accept it.

I'm not saying that this particular film is -ist because I haven't watched. I'm not saying that one individual film/book makes a difference - But if there's an habit of portraying a specific group worse then we'll eventually start thinking there's some truth in it.

It's not relevant if it's fiction or not - When we are watching fiction we, for a moment, imagine that it is "true" (in our minds) and fiction can serve as an excellent description of real life situations.

Let's use an example but reversed - Most of us probably have a favourite film or TV series - Many times the characters, story, values and so on taught us something, some lesson was learned, for some people a movie can be a life changing experience their perspective. For me, many movies promote important values that I cherish, like respect, hard-work, compassion, diversity, tolerance, friendship, etc. These movies have affected me positively and this happens to a lot of people. Not reverse this - Think about what a negative constant stereotype might do to people.

What do you mean "you people?" Smile
No doubt. You are correct to a certain degree I think. But many of us can sift through the shit to get to the meat. Like in Star Trek. Often great messages but mixed with sexism. I knew the sexism was wrong so focused on the positive. Like a Christian cherry picking the bible (difference is I can admit it).
But I see now that you are talking about media in general and your point is valid. It seems we are arguing about apples and oranges.
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14-02-2015, 01:13 PM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
no more than 9 1\2 weeks.

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14-02-2015, 01:32 PM
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Oops. Double post..
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14-02-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: Fifty Shades of......domestic abuse?
(14-02-2015 09:30 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I hope for its sake it is better than the flick 9 and a half weeks. I am pretty certain it's the worst, at least technically sound film, I have ever seen. The only terms I could describe it with is, Yuppie Porn. But it's the same plot of a wealthy hot guy taking this naive women into a romantic hold then the bsdm life of him shines out. But it's from and stereotypically 80s new york.

But both of my sisters read the book. One proclaimed the book was pretty tame, the other was shocked she happened to say that after reading it herself.. But the one who thought it was tame has read a lot more books, so potentially its in comparison to other things.

You need to see "Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas" for the worst made movie ever made. At this point I am wondering if this has just been a giant troll by Kirk and he's gonna come out in a year or two and be like "Gotcha, what you really thought an actual human being could be that stupid?"

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