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30-01-2016, 04:11 PM
Fine tuning
So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?
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30-01-2016, 08:24 PM
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(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?

It certainly does. The Sun does not move in the sky. The Earth rotates around its axis so that it appears that the sun moves across the sky. If the sun ever did appear to stand still in the sky, it would mean that the earth had stopped rotating. That would play merry hob with all life on earth. I should say that it certainly does if one is using reason. If one invokes magic then there's no problem.

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30-01-2016, 08:29 PM
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If the sun were to stand still, the earth would be fucked, we are moving about the galaxy at 828,000 KMH.
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30-01-2016, 08:31 PM
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A really omnipotent god would have the capacity to make life and the universe work under any system (or lack thereof). Design is really an argument against the power of a god.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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30-01-2016, 09:19 PM
RE: Fine tuning
(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.
in order for something to be fine tuned we need the following:
- Possible values other than the current ones.
- Knowledge that the value used to be different but has subsequently been fine tune for some known purpose.
- Intentionality.

Without these things we must see the fine tuning argument as speculation and wishful thinking in support of currently held beliefs.

It's an argument out of necessity, and to make these arguments we need to know everything, in order to rule out ALL other options.
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30-01-2016, 09:22 PM
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(30-01-2016 08:24 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?

It certainly does. The Sun does not move in the sky. The Earth rotates around its axis so that it appears that the sun moves across the sky. If the sun ever did appear to stand still in the sky, it would mean that the earth had stopped rotating. That would play merry hob with all life on earth. I should say that it certainly does if one is using reason. If one invokes magic then there's no problem.

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30-01-2016, 09:35 PM
RE: Fine tuning
(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?

No because Josephus.

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30-01-2016, 09:40 PM
RE: Fine tuning
(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?

Oh! Oh! And don't forget that the science of optics didn't cause rainbows to happen until after the Flood!
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30-01-2016, 09:44 PM
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(30-01-2016 09:40 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?

Oh! Oh! And don't forget that the science of optics didn't cause rainbows to happen until after the Flood!

You also forgot how earth was created before light. Considering E=mc2, it is not possible (as we understand it) to have matter before light.

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30-01-2016, 09:46 PM
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(30-01-2016 08:31 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  A really omnipotent god would have the capacity to make life and the universe work under any system (or lack thereof). Design is really an argument against the power of a god.

Although could it be omnipotent and still not all powerful? Just because it knows what will happen doesn't mean it can do anything about it.

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