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30-01-2016, 09:50 PM
RE: Fine tuning
(30-01-2016 09:44 PM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(30-01-2016 09:40 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Oh! Oh! And don't forget that the science of optics didn't cause rainbows to happen until after the Flood!

You also forgot how earth was created before light. Considering E=mc2, it is not possible (as we understand it) to have matter before light.

The whole creation business requires a HUGE violation of the first law of thermodynamics anyway.

Er.... hmmm.

e=mc2 doesn't actually imply that. But unless the matter is at absolute 0 it would be emitting light as emission rays or blackbody radiation. And if all the matter in the universe WERE at absolute zero... then the universe began with its heat death? By what mechanism would one even measure the passage of time under those circumstances?
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30-01-2016, 10:59 PM
RE: Fine tuning
(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?

The sun isn't standing still. It is moving within the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving within the rest of the universe. Joshua having the sun stand still by the will of some alleged ruler made up by a bunch of superstitious people is ludicrous. Every theist ought to have a proper education in history of the buy-bull, and a lot of logic. Any theist who disagrees is just ignorant, or believes the BS of the who people want their money.

If a person of some religious conviction actually exercised their brain and studied what is known, they would not be religious. Any religious person who wants to debate this with me can bugger off; go do the work yourself and go find out the truth from something besides the ONE alleged book of truth. Go break your faith on it, instead of making puny semi/anti-logical debates with atheists. Serious skull sweat and an intense sense of personal honesty are involved. Give it a try. The separation anxiety will be worth it.
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30-01-2016, 11:43 PM
RE: Fine tuning
(30-01-2016 04:11 PM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So youve heard the nonsense about fine tuning..

If something was a few millimeteres this way or a few degrees that way etc. Theists like to point it out as evidence of a designer.

Does the fine tuning argument contradict God making the Sun stand still for Joshua?

Nope.

It's just the divine creator fiddling with his knobs.

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31-01-2016, 02:01 AM
RE: Fine tuning
for every "finely tuned" planet for us to live in, there are most likely billions, trillions (don't know the more specific estimates but it's most likely a huge number around that vicinity) of other solar systems that fail to meet that criteria.
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31-01-2016, 02:07 AM
RE: Fine tuning
A puddle of water is not fine tuned to have the shape it does, the water simply takes the shape of the ground it's in. The universe is not fine tuned for life, so much as life has had to tune itself to the environment it manages to find itself in; and failure to do so leads to extinction.

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31-01-2016, 02:27 AM (This post was last modified: 31-01-2016 02:33 AM by GenesisNemesis.)
RE: Fine tuning
What I want to know is how is 99.9999% of the Universe being inhospitable space evidence of fine-tuning? Not only that, but it's expanding at an accelerating pace, which means even more useless space. Who was responsible for that oversight?

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31-01-2016, 03:11 AM
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(31-01-2016 02:27 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  What I want to know is how is 99.9999% of the Universe being inhospitable space evidence of fine-tuning? Not only that, but it's expanding at an accelerating pace, which means even more useless space. Who was responsible for that oversight?

You misunderstand the Almighty's plan.

It is finely tuned.

Only ... not for us.

Consider

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31-01-2016, 03:20 AM
RE: Fine tuning
(31-01-2016 03:11 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(31-01-2016 02:27 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  What I want to know is how is 99.9999% of the Universe being inhospitable space evidence of fine-tuning? Not only that, but it's expanding at an accelerating pace, which means even more useless space. Who was responsible for that oversight?

You misunderstand the Almighty's plan.

It is finely tuned.

Only ... not for us.

Consider

The universe is finely tuned to produce stars and black holes. Drinking Beverage

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31-01-2016, 03:26 AM
RE: Fine tuning
(31-01-2016 03:20 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(31-01-2016 03:11 AM)DLJ Wrote:  You misunderstand the Almighty's plan.

It is finely tuned.

Only ... not for us.

Consider

The universe is finely tuned to produce stars and black holes. Drinking Beverage

... and ...

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31-01-2016, 03:52 AM
RE: Fine tuning
(31-01-2016 03:26 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(31-01-2016 03:20 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  The universe is finely tuned to produce stars and black holes. Drinking Beverage

... and ...

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Nope. Tardigrades evolved to suit their environment, the universe was not fine tuned for tardigrades. Extremophiles are just exceptionally well adapted.

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