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19-11-2010, 08:50 PM
RE: Firearms/Second Amendment
I passed a firearm training course when I was a teenage and have owned a couple of small caliber rifles ever since. I have go hunting with my brotherin-law, who is an avid sportsman a few times. I am comfortable with a firearm if I am in control of it or if it is in the control of a responsible handler. I have been shit scared when someone handling a gun shows any lack of professional type behavior and capability.

Like cars, all people should be licenced to carry firearms before they can own or have possession any guns at any time. Anyone who is not licenced must be with a licenced owner handle or fire a gun. I have a licence to own and use civilian rifles and shotguns. To buy or sell a rifle I would need a to get a permit. To own a pistol would require me to get a change to my licence. Is it inconvenient? Not nearly as inconvenient as to deal with an idiot carring a firearm.

I live in Canada. I was not upset by the licencing of firearms, I was upset with the way the government pushed it through without proper preparation or explanation to the responsible gun owners.
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20-11-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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I remember Rosie O'Donnell years ago on her anti-gun screed. She wanted to disarm everyone. But then it was found out that her body guard had applied for a right to carry concealed, permit. And all of the sudden her agenda became clear. She saw the world as an "us" and "them" dynamic. "Us" being the rich, the celebrity, those in peril from "them" (us) the non-rich, the fan(s) of the celebrities, and those who hold potential to imperil.

Then there was that Politician, that popped up shortly after she went silent, saying no citizen should have a firearm and that, if they were under threat, they should call 911 because that's what they're there for.

All the while, these privileged, rich and protected people tell us we're suppose to relinquish the 2nd amendment rights we're entitled to, so as to protect ourselves from all enemies including a government that could swing wildly out of control, while they're in the company of armed security at home, and in the course of their duties.

I think there are always going to be responsible and irresponsible people in anything. Be it car ownership/driving. Even having kids. The thing I don't think this countries people can ever let ourselves be persuaded to do, is to surrender our guns under the promise the government will protect us.

That, given the track record of such shepherding or nanny State programs in place thus far, would truly be irresponsible. We don't need permission to remain a free people. And we certainly don't need permission to protect and defend ourselves.

( June 2012 article)Anti-gun assembly member travels with armed security escort

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20-11-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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I hunt and i hate guns.(bow) i dont think they should be made illegal but i do think we could use some form of stricter regulation.
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28-11-2010, 09:35 PM
 
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(19-11-2010 01:56 PM)TruthAddict Wrote:  I don't care if you keep a gun in your home for protection but that doesn't exclude the possibility for gun control laws. What pisses me off are these people who feel it necessary to flaunt their "right" Yes, our "RIGHT" to own, carry guns to guns. They will show up to conventions loaded, or walk around with their guns just to show them off. Apparently everyone skips over the part of the 2nd Amendment which states it is to be a "well-regulated" militia.

Apparently, you forgot the part that says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

(19-11-2010 02:26 PM)GassyKitten Wrote:  I'm pro-gun and pro-second amendment, which is part of the inalienable Bill of rights.
I'd rather have a gun and not need it, than to need one and not have it.

Well said......
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28-11-2010, 10:47 PM
 
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I guess I should give my own opinion before I comment on a bunch of others.

I work as a corrections deputy for a small county jail in Washington State. I have worked in this capacity since 1992. Before that I was Security Police in the USAF. I have always been around guns, and have carried one on duty since 1982. To those that have no connection with the police department or corrections/jails, criminals, let me tell you, you know very little about what is actually going on in our society when it comes to criminal activity. There is so much more going on than you are willing to see, that it's scary. Unless you have already been the victim of an armed criminal, it's likely that you don't notice most criminal activity at all. Sure, the media attempts to point out every bad thing concerning a gun... This bad guy did this with a gun, this bad guy did that with a gun, etc. What they don't tell you, and will never point out is that the bad guys with guns, well, most are not legaly allowed to have a gun in the first place. THEY are CRIMINALS! Criminals don't follow the law. The media also pays NO attention to the millions of stories every year of how an armed citizen defended themselves, or someone else from an armed criminal.

Every time a new gun law is enacted, it is only aimed at the law abiding citizen. Gun laws don't keep criminals from having guns, as I said earlier, criminals don't follow the laws. All you have to do to see that this is correct is to look at the criminal gun activity in the three cities in the US that have the MOST gun laws on the books. Chicago ,New York, and California are among the highest in criminal gun activity in the US. An old, but very correct slogan says: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

I highly suggest that if you do not own a gun, but are elligible own/carry one, that you think about learning how to shoot. Take some classes, practice, practice, practice. Carry a weapon, if not for your protection, then for the protection of your family, or your friends. If you own a gun, take the necessary precautions to ensure the safety and security of the weapon.

One more thing to point out... Mayors Against Illegal Guns Read up on the Mayors in this group and you'll discover that a lot of them have Concealled Carry Permits themselves, or have armed body guards with them at all times.

If anyone needs links to gun laws, or to carry schools, firearms training centers or the like, I'd be happy to point you in the right direction.
(19-11-2010 08:50 PM)No J. Wrote:  Like cars, all people should be licenced to carry firearms before they can own or have possession any guns at any time. Anyone who is not licenced must be with a licenced owner handle or fire a gun. I have a licence to own and use civilian rifles and shotguns. To buy or sell a rifle I would need a to get a permit. To own a pistol would require me to get a change to my licence. Is it inconvenient? Not nearly as inconvenient as to deal with an idiot carring a firearm.

And you think that a criminal is going to go to the trouble of attempting to aquire all those licenses? No, he's a criminal, he's going to skip all of that, and buy a gun on the black market, from other criminals. Then what did all those hoops that keep you from owning a gun, do to help prevent the criminal from owning a gun?
(20-11-2010 01:53 PM)Hauser Wrote:  I hunt and i hate guns.(bow) i dont think they should be made illegal but i do think we could use some form of stricter regulation.

Stricter regulations makes it harder for law abiding citezens to purchase/own/carry a weapon. Criminals don't bother with our regulations, they mostly get their guns from other criminals.
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28-11-2010, 11:31 PM
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(28-11-2010 10:47 PM)Prometheus 7-2521 Wrote:  
(19-11-2010 08:50 PM)No J. Wrote:  Like cars, all people should be licenced to carry firearms before they can own or have possession any guns at any time. Anyone who is not licenced must be with a licenced owner handle or fire a gun. I have a licence to own and use civilian rifles and shotguns. To buy or sell a rifle I would need a to get a permit. To own a pistol would require me to get a change to my licence. Is it inconvenient? Not nearly as inconvenient as to deal with an idiot carring a firearm.

And you think that a criminal is going to go to the trouble of attempting to aquire all those licenses? No, he's a criminal, he's going to skip all of that, and buy a gun on the black market, from other criminals. Then what did all those hoops that keep you from owning a gun, do to help prevent the criminal from owning a gun?

No, I don't think that will prevent criminals from getting guns. I think that it will make it easier for the law enforcement officers to charge criminals and to remove guns from the possession of people who aren't licenced. It will reduce the amout of illegal guns out there. It also may be a way to reduce the size of the black market's gun sales. Suppose you didn't need a driver's licence to operate a vehicle, would there be more dangerous drivers out there?
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29-11-2010, 04:25 AM
 
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(28-11-2010 11:31 PM)No J. Wrote:  
(28-11-2010 10:47 PM)Prometheus 7-2521 Wrote:  
(19-11-2010 08:50 PM)No J. Wrote:  Like cars, all people should be licenced to carry firearms before they can own or have possession any guns at any time. Anyone who is not licenced must be with a licenced owner handle or fire a gun. I have a licence to own and use civilian rifles and shotguns. To buy or sell a rifle I would need a to get a permit. To own a pistol would require me to get a change to my licence. Is it inconvenient? Not nearly as inconvenient as to deal with an idiot carring a firearm.

And you think that a criminal is going to go to the trouble of attempting to aquire all those licenses? No, he's a criminal, he's going to skip all of that, and buy a gun on the black market, from other criminals. Then what did all those hoops that keep you from owning a gun, do to help prevent the criminal from owning a gun?

No, I don't think that will prevent criminals from getting guns. I think that it will make it easier for the law enforcement officers to charge criminals and to remove guns from the possession of people who aren't licenced. It will reduce the amout of illegal guns out there. It also may be a way to reduce the size of the black market's gun sales. Suppose you didn't need a driver's licence to operate a vehicle, would there be more dangerous drivers out there?

Meanwhile, you sit unarmed, and unable to defend yourself and your family from armed criminals. There is a better answer: More Guns means Less Crime. Here's an interview with John Lott More Guns, Less Crime.
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29-11-2010, 04:38 AM
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John Lott has the credibility of - well, of John Lott.
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02-12-2010, 12:08 AM
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Look, I am Israel's citizen and we don't have this kind of law. And I am also a soldier, an air force one (differant uniforms- low skills of self protection is very visible), what basicly means I am in high risk of being kidnaped. And although I am a soldier, and by being one I have been trained in operating M-16, I don't cary weapon. Instead, because of the kidnaps, our military invented something awsome which I feel calm with- when dialing 9 (which is posible even if the phone is locked) you call to a special phone for those kind of events and when it rings it says to everybody "someone is in danger". IMMEDIATELY all the army, police and state is jumped up to find the source of the phone and save the caller.
Hopfully, it will be available for citizens soon.
Personally, I don't like weapon from any kind. And thinking every second in my life that someone from across the street can pull off a gun and shoot me isn't so plesent.
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09-12-2010, 12:58 PM
 
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in the thumpers world its "us vs them" as it is with many of the religous fanatics, they feel duty bound to elimanate us from their world as it is "gods will", so when the shite hits the fan i hope there are at least a few of "us" armed because we know ALL of "them" will be. odd how "they" put their real faith in a firearm to "secure" their future instead of "god" and how "god" depends on them and their firearm to carry out "his will".
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