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10-08-2015, 02:20 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2015 02:45 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 01:57 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  They use that wealth to build temples and line their own pockets, not feeding the poor; even though the basis of religious tax-exemption is the idea that church would provide charitable work.

To be fair, the LDS Church Welfare Department does provide meaningful charity work. They recently built some 1500 housing units and gave them to the homeless. Utah's homeless population dropped by 72%. How did they do this? By Gasp redistributing wealth from the rich through their tithes to the poor. I don't think Alla realizes that the LDS is Robin Hood. Alla's not even a good Mormon let alone a good Christian. You're going to hell Alla, I'll save you a seat.

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” - Matthew 25:31-46

That Jesus fellow was an angry commie bastard with the RADICAL idea of SHARING. (caps so Alla can undeRRRRRstand my English better). Big Grin

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10-08-2015, 04:03 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2015 04:14 PM by cjlr.)
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 02:20 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 01:57 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  They use that wealth to build temples and line their own pockets, not feeding the poor; even though the basis of religious tax-exemption is the idea that church would provide charitable work.

To be fair, the LDS Church Welfare Department does provide meaningful charity work. They recently built some 1500 housing units and gave them to the homeless. Utah's homeless population dropped by 72%. How did they do this? By Gasp redistributing wealth from the rich through their tithes to the poor. I don't think Alla realizes that the LDS is Robin Hood. Alla's not even a good Mormon let alone a good Christian. You're going to hell Alla, I'll save you a seat.

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” - Matthew 25:31-46

That Jesus fellow was an angry commie bastard with the RADICAL idea of SHARING. (caps so Alla can undeRRRRRstand my English better). Big Grin

Sure, but why stop there? The Book of Mormon itself is even more explicit. In Mosiah:
4:26 And now, for the sake of these things which I have spoken unto you -- that is, for the sake of retaining a remission of your sins from day to day, that ye may walk guiltless before God -- I would that ye should impart of your substance to the poor, every man according to that which he hath, such as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally, according to their wants.

Which is to say: [E]very man [should impart] according to that which he hath, [to the poor] according to their wants.

I dunno about you, but that sounds kinda familiar to me.

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10-08-2015, 04:18 PM
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 04:03 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 02:20 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To be fair, the LDS Church Welfare Department does provide meaningful charity work. They recently built some 1500 housing units and gave them to the homeless. Utah's homeless population dropped by 72%. How did they do this? By Gasp redistributing wealth from the rich through their tithes to the poor. I don't think Alla realizes that the LDS is Robin Hood. Alla's not even a good Mormon let alone a good Christian. You're going to hell Alla, I'll save you a seat.

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” - Matthew 25:31-46

That Jesus fellow was an angry commie bastard with the RADICAL idea of SHARING. (caps so Alla can undeRRRRRstand my English better). Big Grin

Sure, but why stop there? The Book of Mormon itself is even more explicit. In Mosiah:
4:26 And now, for the sake of these things which I have spoken unto you -- that is, for the sake of retaining a remission of your sins from day to day, that ye may walk guiltless before God -- I would that ye should impart of your substance to the poor, every man according to that which he hath, such as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally, according to their wants.

Which is to say: I would that ye should impart of your substance ..., every man according to that which he hath, [to the poor] according to their wants.

I dunno about you, but that sounds kinda familiar to me.

Think I read something like it in Acts.

Acts 4:32–35: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Jesus was the OG commie bastard.

Mosiah made me giggle. Mohammed meets Isaiah. Big Grin

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10-08-2015, 06:30 PM
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 01:06 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 12:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  Jesus was teaching this: create your own wealth and share it.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. Jesus was not a wealthy man. I don't think you understand Jesus at all.

"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." - Matthew 19:24
One more time:
Jesus was teaching: create your own wealth(become rich) and share it with others.
Make a SACRIFICE.
Jesus did not teach - take away wealth from the rich and give it to the poor.
Any idiot can do this - to rob first and then to pretend to be caring and charitable.
Jesus didn't promote no stinking Robin Hoods.

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10-08-2015, 06:39 PM
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 02:20 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To be fair, the LDS Church Welfare Department does provide meaningful charity work. They recently built some 1500 housing units and gave them to the homeless. Utah's homeless population dropped by 72%. How did they do this? By Gasp redistributing wealth from the rich through their tithes to the poor. I don't think Alla realizes that the LDS is Robin Hood. Alla's not even a good Mormon let alone a good Christian. You're going to hell Alla, I'll save you a seat.
LDS Church did NOT rob me and all Her members. This is what Robin Hood did.
Members give donations from the heart. I give it from heart. I want to help those who poor and needy. I do it all the time.
But if I give because I am FORCED I do NOT do good. It is NOT my choice.
There is big difference between stinking socialist and LDS people.
We do not rob and then donate we SACRIFICE and this is OUR choice. From our hearts.

(10-08-2015 02:20 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” - Matthew 25:31-46
That Jesus fellow was an angry commie bastard with the RADICAL idea of SHARING. (caps so Alla can undeRRRRRstand my English better). Big Grin
No, my friend GirlyMan.
Commies take away from you. They will squeeze you until you have no blood and no air.
Those who visited Jesus didn't rob anybody. They were giving what was theirs.

It is wrong to even compare socialist radical idea of sharing with TRUE idea of sharing.
You share what is yours and NOT what belongs to your rich neighbor.
Do you even see the difference?

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10-08-2015, 06:45 PM
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 04:03 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 02:20 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To be fair, the LDS Church Welfare Department does provide meaningful charity work. They recently built some 1500 housing units and gave them to the homeless. Utah's homeless population dropped by 72%. How did they do this? By Gasp redistributing wealth from the rich through their tithes to the poor. I don't think Alla realizes that the LDS is Robin Hood. Alla's not even a good Mormon let alone a good Christian. You're going to hell Alla, I'll save you a seat.

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” - Matthew 25:31-46

That Jesus fellow was an angry commie bastard with the RADICAL idea of SHARING. (caps so Alla can undeRRRRRstand my English better). Big Grin

Sure, but why stop there? The Book of Mormon itself is even more explicit. In Mosiah:
4:26 And now, for the sake of these things which I have spoken unto you -- that is, for the sake of retaining a remission of your sins from day to day, that ye may walk guiltless before God -- I would that ye should impart of your substance to the poor, every man according to that which he hath, such as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally, according to their wants.

Which is to say: [E]very man [should impart] according to that which he hath, [to the poor] according to their wants.

I dunno about you, but that sounds kinda familiar to me.

Yes, this what God does teach in the BoM.
Share what is YOURS.
Progressives share what is NOT theirs. Hillary will never sell her mansions. She wants to sell another rich guy mansion and share with those poor little people so they can give her more power. So she can have even more mansions.
Hillary gets thousands of $$ for her 20 min speech. I would give those money to the poor students.
Is this even fair?

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10-08-2015, 06:49 PM
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 06:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  Yes, this what God does teach in the BoM.
Share what is YOURS.

I do. Does it really matter how it became mine.

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10-08-2015, 06:51 PM
RE: First GOP Debate!
(10-08-2015 04:18 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 04:03 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Sure, but why stop there? The Book of Mormon itself is even more explicit. In Mosiah:
4:26 And now, for the sake of these things which I have spoken unto you -- that is, for the sake of retaining a remission of your sins from day to day, that ye may walk guiltless before God -- I would that ye should impart of your substance to the poor, every man according to that which he hath, such as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally, according to their wants.

Which is to say: I would that ye should impart of your substance ..., every man according to that which he hath, [to the poor] according to their wants.

I dunno about you, but that sounds kinda familiar to me.

Think I read something like it in Acts.

Acts 4:32–35: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Jesus was the OG commie bastard.

Mosiah made me giggle. Mohammed meets Isaiah. Big Grin
One thing when God tells to share among those who are of the same faith and goals
Another thing when corrupt politician takes away your money and decides what to do with them.
God is fair. Tax is 10%. Ben Carson was reminding about it.
Sanders wants your 90%. Do I trust political elite class in Washington DC? NO, I don't. They are mess. They are twisted evil.
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10-08-2015, 06:52 PM
RE: First GOP Debate!
Though you may be giving from a place of kindness, the fact remains that when you sit down for your mandatory annual tithing settlement with your local bishop, it's expected that you are a full tithe payer (at least 10% of your increase/income) to remain temple worthy. That in and of itself is the implied obligation.
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10-08-2015, 06:55 PM
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(10-08-2015 06:52 PM)Cosmic Discourse Wrote:  Though you may be giving from a place of kindness, the fact remains that when you sit down for your mandatory annual tithing settlement with your local bishop, it's expected that you are a full tithe payer (at least 10% of your increase/income) to remain temple worthy. That in and of itself is the implied obligation.
Yes, but
1) it was my own choice to give 10%. When I was baptized I told God that this is what I agree to do with all my heart.
2) I can choose not to do it anytime.
Radical idea of sharing takes away from me first and second.

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