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20-10-2014, 05:13 PM (This post was last modified: 20-10-2014 05:17 PM by Dark Light.)
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
(20-10-2014 08:44 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Are you confident in your ability to answer questions about the WC issue considering that you were not an admin during the period that my questions pertain to?
(20-10-2014 11:28 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Yes
(20-10-2014 02:27 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  If I take the time to make a nice list of questions that are important to me, do you plan to give me well thought out answers or just like one word answers?

I'm just wondering if I should even bother.

You ask, I'll answer to the best of my ability.

(20-10-2014 11:35 AM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  Id like to know if in our future...immediate and lo n g term if we're going to have someone on board who isnt so sensitive to political correctness that they can throw the ban hammer when its needed?
I'd like to know that myself and other forum members here are safe to post and that regulars opinions are important to the staff.

So much Talk. So little action.
???

I'm not sure what you mean by 'political correctness' exactly in this context, but being in an Administrative role does require one to behave professionally. For example, I would consider it to be unprofessional to lose my temper and curse people out while speaking as an Administrator. Can I ban people? Sure. I've banned or had many people banned who deserved it. As far as your last comment is concerned, I must disagree that no action has or is being taken. Everyone on the forum team has busted their asses.

(20-10-2014 01:49 PM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  My questions:
1. who has the power to temp ban?

2. I know WC has been using some tactics that make it hard to block him outright, (insert techno-babble that I don't understand here), have we figured out a way to block him? or are you still looking for a multitude of socks everyday? I get the feeling that in the future we are going to get more trolls using his methods and feel we need a more efficient way of handling it. Otherwise we start suspecting newbies when we shouldnt be because they say or do something that catches our eye.

3. I understand the freedom of speech and freedom to be a dick stance, but it comes at a price (usually the regular members who get fed up with dealing with jerks all the time). Where is the line for FT? I think many regular members are wanting the jerks to be dealt with sooner.

1.) Administrators and SuperMods. Mods do if there are no Admins/Supermods around and the need arises (such as account hacks, spam, and porn).

2.) There is no sure-fire way to completely block a person, however we have made it incredibly difficult for him. A person who is motivated enough can get in to any public forum after being banished.

3.) The last one is a judgement call which is ultimately made on a case-by-case basis by the Admin.

(20-10-2014 03:43 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  Someone tell me why we cant have a fair-minded admin whos not afraid of defending this place and its people?

I just see no reason (none) .... Why we cant have that.


Why do troublemaking trolls get more benefit of a doubt than forum regulars?

I am 'someone' so I will say I think you do.

Every member is subject to the same rules and is afforded the same amount of protection - not just people who are friendly, or are pleasant. Jesus lovin' neo-nazis have the same protection as the humanist atheists. Each member is subject to being punished for rule violations, and each member is subject to banishment.

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20-10-2014, 05:22 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
(20-10-2014 05:13 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Jesus lovin' neo-nazis have the same protection as the humanist atheists.
I'm thinkin' I got my Halloween costume.

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20-10-2014, 05:31 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
(20-10-2014 05:13 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Every member is subject to the same rules and is afforded the same amount of protection - not just people who are friendly, or are pleasant. Jesus lovin' neo-nazis have the same protection as the humanist atheists. Each member is subject to being punished for rule violations, and each member is subject to banishment.

Every member is equally subject to needing to leave the forum because they were dumb enough to be stalked and harassed by an obvious predator outside of the forum instead of inside of the forum. Even trolls will not be protected unless their stalker actually violates forum rules. Oh wait...isn't there a rule about that?

This applies to intimidating threats of physical violence or interfering with, or threatening to interfere with, someone's life beyond the forum. This excludes threats to report legal issues. This behavior can result in your account being banned and depending on the nature of the threats, your details being passed to law enforcement. Exceptions to the policy will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis by the Administration. If a matter revolves around the threat of a legal issue, then it is up to the relevant courts and/or authorities to rule on such matters. The staff at TTA forums do not have the knowledge or rights to make judgments, or intervene, in legal matters. The Administration rely upon the membership to identify offending behavior.

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20-10-2014, 05:32 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
Why was that rule not enforced?

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20-10-2014, 05:37 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
My first few questions may seem off topic, but it is relevant to me personally so please bear with me.

Who can see posts that are made in the FTM section?

How secure is the FTM section section in regards to privacy?

If a forum member receives a PM from another member who isn't a member of the FT regarding a matter that was brought up in the FTM section what should they do?

Who were the admins when WC joined the forum?

How much and how often does the forum team communicate?

How much if any information did you receive about my personal issues with WC when you became an admin?

If you saw a huge part of the community in an uproar over some mysterious thing that had to do with myself and WC (including but not limited to several members saying they didn't feel safe with him on the forum), did you not think it might be apropriate to find out the truth of the matter for yourself?

As an admin, do you value you the safety of individual forum members?

As an admin, do you value free speech and TTA never ban anyone motto over the safety of individual forum members?

In your personal opinion as a member of this forum, what are the aspects of this situation that you feel were handled correctly/incorrectly?

Is it true that forum members were asked to edit posts when discussing this matter? If so, why?

As admin, do you believe it is the responsibility of the FT to protect the forum from potential predators?

Do you believe the FT owes a certain amount of transparency to the members? If so how much?

How do you plan to handle issues like this in the future?

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20-10-2014, 05:40 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
(20-10-2014 05:31 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(20-10-2014 05:13 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Every member is subject to the same rules and is afforded the same amount of protection - not just people who are friendly, or are pleasant. Jesus lovin' neo-nazis have the same protection as the humanist atheists. Each member is subject to being punished for rule violations, and each member is subject to banishment.

Every member is equally subject to needing to leave the forum because they were dumb enough to be stalked and harassed by an obvious predator outside of the forum instead of inside of the forum. Even trolls will not be protected unless their stalker actually violates forum rules. Oh wait...isn't there a rule about that?

This applies to intimidating threats of physical violence or interfering with, or threatening to interfere with, someone's life beyond the forum. This excludes threats to report legal issues. This behavior can result in your account being banned and depending on the nature of the threats, your details being passed to law enforcement. Exceptions to the policy will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis by the Administration. If a matter revolves around the threat of a legal issue, then it is up to the relevant courts and/or authorities to rule on such matters. The staff at TTA forums do not have the knowledge or rights to make judgments, or intervene, in legal matters. The Administration rely upon the membership to identify offending behavior.

Yes, interfering with a persons personal life is in violation of our rules, but it is also one of the more difficult ones to get evidence for. I cannot take a persons word for it that they are being contacting/interfered with outside of the forum. I must be impartial. This is why I specifically requested links, screenshots, and quotes. None was offered to me.

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20-10-2014, 05:45 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
"Wicked Clown has proven to be a controversial member, and has even broken the rules. For this he has been reprimanded. Since that time he has not violated any rules. Actions he took before he joined the forum will not be considered a rule violation. Any future actions taken by Wicked Clown, should be reported via our Reporting System or by a PM to a member of the Forum Team. If you choose to PM a member of the Forum Team feel free to post links, quotes and screenshots.

- Dark Light"


Feel free to disregard my question about whether or not you value the safety of members of this forum. You have answered quite clearly with this statement that you do not.

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20-10-2014, 05:52 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
(20-10-2014 05:45 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Feel free to disregard my question about whether or not you value the safety of members of this forum. You have answered quite clearly with this statement that you do not.

You want Girly to bust WickedClown's balls? Cause I'll do it. It'd be fun.

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20-10-2014, 05:59 PM (This post was last modified: 20-10-2014 07:01 PM by Losty.)
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
(20-10-2014 05:52 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(20-10-2014 05:45 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Feel free to disregard my question about whether or not you value the safety of members of this forum. You have answered quite clearly with this statement that you do not.

You want Girly to bust WickedClown's balls? Cause I'll do it. It'd be fun.

You have no idea about the emails I received from him. Imagine the aboundance of socks and think every one sent you an email that made you want to check yourself right back into the hospital after just leaving. The most horrible, disgusting, terrifying messages I have ever received. Imagine this happened to you and then he joined the only place where you've trusted anyone in years and the admins didn't care because it was before he joined. I don't know Girly I don't find it fun or funny in any way. It truly hurt me to be honest.
I don't know why I go talking about this while my emotional support is sleeping Facepalm

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20-10-2014, 06:06 PM
RE: Follow Up Questions for Me
(20-10-2014 05:40 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(20-10-2014 05:31 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Every member is equally subject to needing to leave the forum because they were dumb enough to be stalked and harassed by an obvious predator outside of the forum instead of inside of the forum. Even trolls will not be protected unless their stalker actually violates forum rules. Oh wait...isn't there a rule about that?

This applies to intimidating threats of physical violence or interfering with, or threatening to interfere with, someone's life beyond the forum. This excludes threats to report legal issues. This behavior can result in your account being banned and depending on the nature of the threats, your details being passed to law enforcement. Exceptions to the policy will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis by the Administration. If a matter revolves around the threat of a legal issue, then it is up to the relevant courts and/or authorities to rule on such matters. The staff at TTA forums do not have the knowledge or rights to make judgments, or intervene, in legal matters. The Administration rely upon the membership to identify offending behavior.

Yes, interfering with a persons personal life is in violation of our rules, but it is also one of the more difficult ones to get evidence for. I cannot take a persons word for it that they are being contacting/interfered with outside of the forum. I must be impartial. This is why I specifically requested links, screenshots, and quotes. None was offered to me.

The psychotic asshole edited many of his truly offensive posts to sanitize them.
His history at AF and the warnings and testimony from long-time members should have been taken into account.

An admin needs judgement and common sense. No admin or supermod displayed either.

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