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16-11-2013, 03:40 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
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If all you have is the list of scientists that were theists or creationists then there is not that much to talk about, is there?

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16-11-2013, 03:48 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
(16-11-2013 03:31 PM)birdseye Wrote:  
(16-11-2013 03:10 PM)grizzlysnake Wrote:  I suppose you have a nice book where this list comes from. Care to share?

I would not mind sharing the sources that I use to find much of my information, however, the likelihood of that doing any good is not there, for if I cite a book or source for which someone disagrees, they would write the facts off as altogether incorrect based initially on the source, ignoring the cited facts, so therefore I do not care to share at this time. The cited facts and initial sources should saffice for now.
There will always be disagreements, we just want to know if the source is reliable. Christian does not equal creationists, thats all. I'm just puzzled why you put Leonardo da Vinci up there, I don't think I ever heard of him being a creationist or even gave much thought to religion.

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16-11-2013, 03:52 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
Hmm... Perhaps here?

http://www.icr.org/article/185/

Cause we know that's reliable.

In other news, most recent article: "Counting Earth's Age in Lightning Strikes"

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16-11-2013, 03:56 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
(16-11-2013 03:40 PM)Chas Wrote:  A list of dead scientists is not an intelligent or informative response to my statement.

As I said, please come join us in the 21st century.

"When living things came out of the sea to live on land, fins turned into legs, gills into lungs, scales into fur."—*Rutherford Platt, The River of Life (1956), p. vii.

"Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of growth, nothing of life. "—*W. Kaempffert, "The Greatest Mystery of All: the Secret of Life," New York Times.

"The overriding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological research—paleontological, zoological and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology—has provided ever-increasing evidence for Darwinian ideas."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 327.

"The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity—omnipotent chance. "—*T Rosazak, Unfinished Animal (1975), p. 101-102.

"No one has ever found an organism that is known not to have parents, or a parent. This is the strongest evidence on behalf of evolution. "—*Tom Bethell, "Agnostic Evolutionists," Harper's, February 1985, p. 61

One of the most important discoveries of the twentieth century was the discovery of the DNA molecule. It has had a powerful effect on biological research. It has also brought quandary and confusion to evolutionary scientists. If they cared to admit the full implications of DNA, if would also bring total destruction to their theory.YOUR BODY'S BLUEPRINT— Each of us starts off as a tiny sphere no larger than a dot on this page. Within that microscopic ball there is over six feet of DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid), all coiled up. Inside that DNA is the entire code for what you will become: all your organs and all your features.

The DNA itself is strung out within long coiling strips. DNA is the carrier of the inheritance code in living things. It is like a microscopic computer with a built-in memory. DNA stores a fantastic number of "blueprints," and at the right time and place issues orders for distant parts of the body to build its cells and structures.

You have heard of "genes" and "chromosomes." Inside each cell in your body is a nucleus. Inside that nucleus are, among other complicated things, chromosomes. Inside the chromosomes are genes. The genes are attached to chromosomes like beads on a chain. Inside the genes is the complicated chemical structure we call DNA. Each gene has a thousand or more such DNA units within it. Inside each cell are tens of thousands of such genes, grouped into 23 pairs of chromosomes

THE DNA MOLECULE

Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a double-stranded helix found within the chromosomes, which are located inside the nuclei of every living cell. The molecule consists of just four nucleotide units, one containing adenine, one guanine, one cytosine, and one either thymine (in DNA) or uracil (in RNA). The sides of the helix consist of alternating deoxyribose sugars and phosphates.

Why is it helix shaped? Because the DNA contains an extreme code, it must somehow fit inside the chromosome. The illustration on the right below illustrates how the helix shape is used to squash an immense length of it into the tiny chromosome!Inside the DNA is the total of all the genetic possibilities for a given species. This is called the "gene pool" of genetic traits. It is also called the "genome." That is all the traits your species can have; in contrast, the specific subcode for YOU is the genotype, which is the code for all the possible inherited features you could have:

"Genome is the total amount of genetic information in a species population. An individual carries genes on his or her chromosomes; the total of genetic instructions for that individual is the genotype.

"A fundamental concept of modern biology is the distinction between this genotype (the individual's code) and the phenotype (the physical body or expression of the code). But the genome applies to populations [of a specific species]. It is the sum total of all genotypes in a species. This populational blueprint for an entire species, the genome, is the current focus of gene-mapping projects."—*Richard Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 190.

Because of the limits imposed by this genome or gene pool,—it is impossible for one species to change into another species. And without species change, there can be no evolution!COILED STRIPS—YOU have your own DNA scattered all through your body in about 60 thousand billion specks, which is the average number of living cells in a human adult. What does this DNA look like? It has the appearance of two intertwined strips of vertical tape that are loosely coiled about each other. From bottom to top, horizontal rungs or stairs reach across from one tape strip to the other. Altogether, each DNA molecule is something like a spiral staircase.

The spiraling sides in the DNA ladder are made of complicated sugar and phosphate compounds, and the crosspieces are nitrogen compounds. It is the arrangement of the chemical sequence in the DNA that contains the needed information.

The code within each DNA cell is complicated in the extreme! If you were to put all the coded DNA instructions from just ONE single human cell into English, it would fill many large volumes, each volume the size of an unabridged dictionary!

Now I believe you are beginning to grasp the immensity of the problem. In order for evolution to occur, the mammoth hurdle of the DNA code barrier would have to be somehow surmounted. Quite obviously, accidental changes and random events could never accomplish the needed task.

"These DNA specks have a similar chemical composition, are about the same size, and look very much like those [the DNA molecules] in your dog, or in a housefly, a bread mold or blade of grass. yet somehow the specks are coded to make every living thing different from every other living thing. They make dogs different from fish or birds, bread mold from apple trees, elephants from mosquitoes. "—*Reader's Digest, October 1962, p. 144.

It is the chemical sequence in your DNA that makes you different than bread mold. The DNA code within you is awesomely important!DIVIDING DNA—DNA has a very special way of dividing and combining. The ladder literally "unhooks" and "rehooks." When cells divide, the DNA ladder splits down the middle. There are then two single vertical strands, each with half of the rungs. Both now duplicate themselves instantly—and there are now two complete ladders, where a moment before there was but one! Each new strip has exactly the same sequence that the original strip of DNA had.

This process of division can occur at the amazing rate of 1,000 base pairs per second! If DNA did not divide this quickly, it could take 10,000 years for you to grow from that first cell to a new-born infant.

Human cells can divide more than 50 times before dying. When they do die, they are immediately replaced. Every minute 3 billion cells die in your body and are immediately replaced.

THE BASE CODE—The human body has about 100 trillion cells. In the nucleus of each cell are 46 chromosomes. In the chromosomes of each cell are about 10 billion of those DNA ladders. Scientists call each spiral ladder a DNA molecule; they also call them base pairs. It is the sequence of chemicals within these base pairs that provides the instructional code for your body. That instructional code oversees all your heredity and many of your metabolic processes.

Without your DNA, you could not live. Without its own DNA, nothing else on earth could live. Within each DNA base pair is a most fantastic information file. A-T-G-T-G-G-G-T-G-T-A-A-T-A, and on and on, is the code for one creature. T-G-G-T-G-A-A-G-A-G-T-G-C-C, and on and on, will begin the code for another. Each code continues on for millions of "letter" units. Each unit is made of a special chemical.

By now, I believe you are beginning to grasp how complicated are the DNA molecules—those little strung out ladders, which the scientists describe as being in the shape of a "double-stranded helix."
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16-11-2013, 03:58 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
(16-11-2013 03:52 PM)Adenosis Wrote:  Hmm... Perhaps here?

http://www.icr.org/article/185/

Cause we know that's reliable.

In other news, most recent article: "Counting Earth's Age in Lightning Strikes"

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Nice find

So, birdseye is urging us to think by copy/pasting from a creationists site Laughat

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16-11-2013, 03:59 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
(16-11-2013 03:56 PM)birdseye Wrote:  
(16-11-2013 03:40 PM)Chas Wrote:  A list of dead scientists is not an intelligent or informative response to my statement.

As I said, please come join us in the 21st century.

"When living things came out of the sea to live on land, fins turned into legs, gills into lungs, scales into fur."—*Rutherford Platt, The River of Life (1956), p. vii.

"Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of growth, nothing of life. "—*W. Kaempffert, "The Greatest Mystery of All: the Secret of Life," New York Times.

"The overriding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological research—paleontological, zoological and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology—has provided ever-increasing evidence for Darwinian ideas."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 327.

"The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity—omnipotent chance. "—*T Rosazak, Unfinished Animal (1975), p. 101-102.

"No one has ever found an organism that is known not to have parents, or a parent. This is the strongest evidence on behalf of evolution. "—*Tom Bethell, "Agnostic Evolutionists," Harper's, February 1985, p. 61

One of the most important discoveries of the twentieth century was the discovery of the DNA molecule. It has had a powerful effect on biological research. It has also brought quandary and confusion to evolutionary scientists. If they cared to admit the full implications of DNA, if would also bring total destruction to their theory.YOUR BODY'S BLUEPRINT— Each of us starts off as a tiny sphere no larger than a dot on this page. Within that microscopic ball there is over six feet of DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid), all coiled up. Inside that DNA is the entire code for what you will become: all your organs and all your features.

The DNA itself is strung out within long coiling strips. DNA is the carrier of the inheritance code in living things. It is like a microscopic computer with a built-in memory. DNA stores a fantastic number of "blueprints," and at the right time and place issues orders for distant parts of the body to build its cells and structures.

You have heard of "genes" and "chromosomes." Inside each cell in your body is a nucleus. Inside that nucleus are, among other complicated things, chromosomes. Inside the chromosomes are genes. The genes are attached to chromosomes like beads on a chain. Inside the genes is the complicated chemical structure we call DNA. Each gene has a thousand or more such DNA units within it. Inside each cell are tens of thousands of such genes, grouped into 23 pairs of chromosomes

THE DNA MOLECULE

Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a double-stranded helix found within the chromosomes, which are located inside the nuclei of every living cell. The molecule consists of just four nucleotide units, one containing adenine, one guanine, one cytosine, and one either thymine (in DNA) or uracil (in RNA). The sides of the helix consist of alternating deoxyribose sugars and phosphates.

Why is it helix shaped? Because the DNA contains an extreme code, it must somehow fit inside the chromosome. The illustration on the right below illustrates how the helix shape is used to squash an immense length of it into the tiny chromosome!Inside the DNA is the total of all the genetic possibilities for a given species. This is called the "gene pool" of genetic traits. It is also called the "genome." That is all the traits your species can have; in contrast, the specific subcode for YOU is the genotype, which is the code for all the possible inherited features you could have:

"Genome is the total amount of genetic information in a species population. An individual carries genes on his or her chromosomes; the total of genetic instructions for that individual is the genotype.

"A fundamental concept of modern biology is the distinction between this genotype (the individual's code) and the phenotype (the physical body or expression of the code). But the genome applies to populations [of a specific species]. It is the sum total of all genotypes in a species. This populational blueprint for an entire species, the genome, is the current focus of gene-mapping projects."—*Richard Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 190.

Because of the limits imposed by this genome or gene pool,—it is impossible for one species to change into another species. And without species change, there can be no evolution!COILED STRIPS—YOU have your own DNA scattered all through your body in about 60 thousand billion specks, which is the average number of living cells in a human adult. What does this DNA look like? It has the appearance of two intertwined strips of vertical tape that are loosely coiled about each other. From bottom to top, horizontal rungs or stairs reach across from one tape strip to the other. Altogether, each DNA molecule is something like a spiral staircase.

The spiraling sides in the DNA ladder are made of complicated sugar and phosphate compounds, and the crosspieces are nitrogen compounds. It is the arrangement of the chemical sequence in the DNA that contains the needed information.

The code within each DNA cell is complicated in the extreme! If you were to put all the coded DNA instructions from just ONE single human cell into English, it would fill many large volumes, each volume the size of an unabridged dictionary!

Now I believe you are beginning to grasp the immensity of the problem. In order for evolution to occur, the mammoth hurdle of the DNA code barrier would have to be somehow surmounted. Quite obviously, accidental changes and random events could never accomplish the needed task.

"These DNA specks have a similar chemical composition, are about the same size, and look very much like those [the DNA molecules] in your dog, or in a housefly, a bread mold or blade of grass. yet somehow the specks are coded to make every living thing different from every other living thing. They make dogs different from fish or birds, bread mold from apple trees, elephants from mosquitoes. "—*Reader's Digest, October 1962, p. 144.

It is the chemical sequence in your DNA that makes you different than bread mold. The DNA code within you is awesomely important!DIVIDING DNA—DNA has a very special way of dividing and combining. The ladder literally "unhooks" and "rehooks." When cells divide, the DNA ladder splits down the middle. There are then two single vertical strands, each with half of the rungs. Both now duplicate themselves instantly—and there are now two complete ladders, where a moment before there was but one! Each new strip has exactly the same sequence that the original strip of DNA had.

This process of division can occur at the amazing rate of 1,000 base pairs per second! If DNA did not divide this quickly, it could take 10,000 years for you to grow from that first cell to a new-born infant.

Human cells can divide more than 50 times before dying. When they do die, they are immediately replaced. Every minute 3 billion cells die in your body and are immediately replaced.

THE BASE CODE—The human body has about 100 trillion cells. In the nucleus of each cell are 46 chromosomes. In the chromosomes of each cell are about 10 billion of those DNA ladders. Scientists call each spiral ladder a DNA molecule; they also call them base pairs. It is the sequence of chemicals within these base pairs that provides the instructional code for your body. That instructional code oversees all your heredity and many of your metabolic processes.

Without your DNA, you could not live. Without its own DNA, nothing else on earth could live. Within each DNA base pair is a most fantastic information file. A-T-G-T-G-G-G-T-G-T-A-A-T-A, and on and on, is the code for one creature. T-G-G-T-G-A-A-G-A-G-T-G-C-C, and on and on, will begin the code for another. Each code continues on for millions of "letter" units. Each unit is made of a special chemical.

By now, I believe you are beginning to grasp how complicated are the DNA molecules—those little strung out ladders, which the scientists describe as being in the shape of a "double-stranded helix."

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16-11-2013, 03:59 PM
Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
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16-11-2013, 04:00 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
(16-11-2013 03:52 PM)Adenosis Wrote:  Hmm... Perhaps here?

http://www.icr.org/article/185/

Cause we know that's reliable.

No... not close.
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16-11-2013, 04:00 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
(16-11-2013 03:58 PM)Slowminded Wrote:  Big Grin

Nice find

So, birdseye is urging us to think by copy/pasting from a creationists site Laughat

I used Birdseye's secret weapon Wink

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16-11-2013, 04:02 PM
RE: Food for Thought, Thinking of Evolution?
(16-11-2013 03:56 PM)birdseye Wrote:  
(16-11-2013 03:40 PM)Chas Wrote:  A list of dead scientists is not an intelligent or informative response to my statement.

As I said, please come join us in the 21st century.

"When living things came out of the sea to live on land, fins turned into legs, gills into lungs, scales into fur."—*Rutherford Platt, The River of Life (1956), p. vii.

"Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of growth, nothing of life. "—*W. Kaempffert, "The Greatest Mystery of All: the Secret of Life," New York Times.

"The overriding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological research—paleontological, zoological and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology—has provided ever-increasing evidence for Darwinian ideas."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 327.

"The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity—omnipotent chance. "—*T Rosazak, Unfinished Animal (1975), p. 101-102.

"No one has ever found an organism that is known not to have parents, or a parent. This is the strongest evidence on behalf of evolution. "—*Tom Bethell, "Agnostic Evolutionists," Harper's, February 1985, p. 61

One of the most important discoveries of the twentieth century was the discovery of the DNA molecule. It has had a powerful effect on biological research. It has also brought quandary and confusion to evolutionary scientists. If they cared to admit the full implications of DNA, if would also bring total destruction to their theory.YOUR BODY'S BLUEPRINT— Each of us starts off as a tiny sphere no larger than a dot on this page. Within that microscopic ball there is over six feet of DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid), all coiled up. Inside that DNA is the entire code for what you will become: all your organs and all your features.

The DNA itself is strung out within long coiling strips. DNA is the carrier of the inheritance code in living things. It is like a microscopic computer with a built-in memory. DNA stores a fantastic number of "blueprints," and at the right time and place issues orders for distant parts of the body to build its cells and structures.

You have heard of "genes" and "chromosomes." Inside each cell in your body is a nucleus. Inside that nucleus are, among other complicated things, chromosomes. Inside the chromosomes are genes. The genes are attached to chromosomes like beads on a chain. Inside the genes is the complicated chemical structure we call DNA. Each gene has a thousand or more such DNA units within it. Inside each cell are tens of thousands of such genes, grouped into 23 pairs of chromosomes

THE DNA MOLECULE

Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a double-stranded helix found within the chromosomes, which are located inside the nuclei of every living cell. The molecule consists of just four nucleotide units, one containing adenine, one guanine, one cytosine, and one either thymine (in DNA) or uracil (in RNA). The sides of the helix consist of alternating deoxyribose sugars and phosphates.

Why is it helix shaped? Because the DNA contains an extreme code, it must somehow fit inside the chromosome. The illustration on the right below illustrates how the helix shape is used to squash an immense length of it into the tiny chromosome!Inside the DNA is the total of all the genetic possibilities for a given species. This is called the "gene pool" of genetic traits. It is also called the "genome." That is all the traits your species can have; in contrast, the specific subcode for YOU is the genotype, which is the code for all the possible inherited features you could have:

"Genome is the total amount of genetic information in a species population. An individual carries genes on his or her chromosomes; the total of genetic instructions for that individual is the genotype.

"A fundamental concept of modern biology is the distinction between this genotype (the individual's code) and the phenotype (the physical body or expression of the code). But the genome applies to populations [of a specific species]. It is the sum total of all genotypes in a species. This populational blueprint for an entire species, the genome, is the current focus of gene-mapping projects."—*Richard Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 190.

Because of the limits imposed by this genome or gene pool,—it is impossible for one species to change into another species. And without species change, there can be no evolution!COILED STRIPS—YOU have your own DNA scattered all through your body in about 60 thousand billion specks, which is the average number of living cells in a human adult. What does this DNA look like? It has the appearance of two intertwined strips of vertical tape that are loosely coiled about each other. From bottom to top, horizontal rungs or stairs reach across from one tape strip to the other. Altogether, each DNA molecule is something like a spiral staircase.

The spiraling sides in the DNA ladder are made of complicated sugar and phosphate compounds, and the crosspieces are nitrogen compounds. It is the arrangement of the chemical sequence in the DNA that contains the needed information.

The code within each DNA cell is complicated in the extreme! If you were to put all the coded DNA instructions from just ONE single human cell into English, it would fill many large volumes, each volume the size of an unabridged dictionary!

Now I believe you are beginning to grasp the immensity of the problem. In order for evolution to occur, the mammoth hurdle of the DNA code barrier would have to be somehow surmounted. Quite obviously, accidental changes and random events could never accomplish the needed task.

"These DNA specks have a similar chemical composition, are about the same size, and look very much like those [the DNA molecules] in your dog, or in a housefly, a bread mold or blade of grass. yet somehow the specks are coded to make every living thing different from every other living thing. They make dogs different from fish or birds, bread mold from apple trees, elephants from mosquitoes. "—*Reader's Digest, October 1962, p. 144.

It is the chemical sequence in your DNA that makes you different than bread mold. The DNA code within you is awesomely important!DIVIDING DNA—DNA has a very special way of dividing and combining. The ladder literally "unhooks" and "rehooks." When cells divide, the DNA ladder splits down the middle. There are then two single vertical strands, each with half of the rungs. Both now duplicate themselves instantly—and there are now two complete ladders, where a moment before there was but one! Each new strip has exactly the same sequence that the original strip of DNA had.

This process of division can occur at the amazing rate of 1,000 base pairs per second! If DNA did not divide this quickly, it could take 10,000 years for you to grow from that first cell to a new-born infant.

Human cells can divide more than 50 times before dying. When they do die, they are immediately replaced. Every minute 3 billion cells die in your body and are immediately replaced.

THE BASE CODE—The human body has about 100 trillion cells. In the nucleus of each cell are 46 chromosomes. In the chromosomes of each cell are about 10 billion of those DNA ladders. Scientists call each spiral ladder a DNA molecule; they also call them base pairs. It is the sequence of chemicals within these base pairs that provides the instructional code for your body. That instructional code oversees all your heredity and many of your metabolic processes.

Without your DNA, you could not live. Without its own DNA, nothing else on earth could live. Within each DNA base pair is a most fantastic information file. A-T-G-T-G-G-G-T-G-T-A-A-T-A, and on and on, is the code for one creature. T-G-G-T-G-A-A-G-A-G-T-G-C-C, and on and on, will begin the code for another. Each code continues on for millions of "letter" units. Each unit is made of a special chemical.

By now, I believe you are beginning to grasp how complicated are the DNA molecules—those little strung out ladders, which the scientists describe as being in the shape of a "double-stranded helix."

Most of us already knew how complicated DNA is.

What's your point? If there is one?

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