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13-02-2017, 06:40 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
All unicorns have one horn on their head.
Some unicorns are pink.
All pink unicorns have one horn on their head.

Borders on being logical, but still doesn't provide any evidence that unicorns exist.

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13-02-2017, 06:49 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 06:36 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Other atheists do of course, as indicated in my quotes from Dawkins

Believe it or not, Tom, atheists do not worship Dawkins.

(13-02-2017 06:36 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
Quote: In what way would a universe designed for us look different from a universe that is not?

For starters one without us.

So it is your assertion that, if the universe were not explicitly designed for us, that we would not exist?

Good. Glad to get that out in the open.

No evidence. Dismissed.

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13-02-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 06:49 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  Believe it or not, Tom, atheists do not worship Dawkins.

That wasn't the question. You don't understand why an atheists like Dawkins acknowledges the appearance of design? It's a position you can't relate to, or comprehend the reason for such views? You just don't get it right?

Quote:So it is your assertion that, if the universe were not explicitly designed for us, that we would not exist?

Nope, that's not my assertion.

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13-02-2017, 08:51 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 05:34 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(13-02-2017 03:37 PM)Chas Wrote:  It is a lie because I qualified it and you keep leaving that out.

And your qualifications were irrelevant to my point. With or without those qualifications, we both agree it's a logical conclusion.

No, you dishonest little twat, I only agree insofar as I qualified it.
Are you really this dishonest or are you just this fucking stupid? Consider

Quote:To borrow the bald Chas example, it's to acknowledge that we both agree that you're bald, and leaving out the that you qualified your baldness as the result of a botched surgery to lengthen your small penis size. While that's all sad and tragic, that qualification is not relevant to the agreement that you're bald.

Go fuck yourself, you nasty little shit. You are a perverted piece of slime.

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13-02-2017, 09:03 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 08:51 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, you dishonest little twat, I only agree insofar as I qualified it.

And I agree with you regardless of how you qualified it. How you qualified it is irrelevant, in fact I'm inclined to agree with your qualifiers as well, but that's irrelevant. The only point relevant to the one I was making is that it's logical, regardless of how that's being qualified.

Quote:Are you really this dishonest or are you just this fucking stupid?

Are you?

Quote: You are a perverted piece of slime.

What are you a prude? I guess I'm the only one with a sense of humor here.

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13-02-2017, 09:07 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 07:23 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  That wasn't the question. You don't understand why an atheists* like Dawkins acknowledges the appearance of design?

He never said that. It's a totally dishonest (but very common lying) mischaracterization of what he actually wrote.

*an atheist is not plural, you ignorant dolt.

The life of a black hole is 10^80 to 10^100 years.
Whatever the universe was designed for, it clearly was not for humans, (which have existed for an infinitesimally small portion of it's length).

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13-02-2017, 09:19 PM (This post was last modified: 13-02-2017 09:23 PM by Tomasia.)
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 09:07 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  He never said that. It's a totally dishonest (but very common lying) mischaracterization of what he actually wrote.

this is what he actually wrote: "Natural selection is the champion crane of all time. It has lifted life from primeval simplicity to the dizzy heights of complexity, beauty
and apparent design that dazzle us today."

Or here: "“ “the illusion of design conjured by Darwinian natural selection is so breathtakingly powerful”

Or take Dennett: "“The biosphere is utterly saturated with design, with purpose, with reasons. What I call the “design stance” predicts and explains features throughout the living world using the same assumptions that work so well when reverse-engineering artifacts made by (somewhat) intelligent human designers.”

"“Is there design in Nature or only apparent design? If we consider evolutionary biology to be a species of reverse engineering, does this imply that there are reasons for the arrangements of the parts of living things? Whose reasons? Or can there be reasons without a reasoner, designs without a designer?”


Excerpt From: Daniel C. Dennett. “From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds.” iBooks. https://itun.es/us/7Gljdb.l"

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13-02-2017, 09:47 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 09:03 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(13-02-2017 08:51 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, you dishonest little twat, I only agree insofar as I qualified it.

And I agree with you regardless of how you qualified it. How you qualified it is irrelevant, in fact I'm inclined to agree with your qualifiers as well, but that's irrelevant. The only point relevant to the one I was making is that it's logical, regardless of how that's being qualified.

Quote:Are you really this dishonest or are you just this fucking stupid?

Are you?

Quote: You are a perverted piece of slime.

What are you a prude? I guess I'm the only one with a sense of humor here.

Go fuck yourself, you nasty little shit.

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13-02-2017, 09:51 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
(13-02-2017 07:23 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  That wasn't the question. You don't understand why an atheists like Dawkins acknowledges the appearance of design? It's a position you can't relate to, or comprehend the reason for such views? You just don't get it right?

No. I get it. I just don't agree, even taking it at face value (and, in case it was not painfully obvious, the posters here have long since stopped taking anything you quote at face value; I just can't be bothered to go digging for the full quote, as it's irrelevant).

(13-02-2017 07:23 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Nope, that's not my assertion.

Funny. Because that's what you said.

If that isn't your assertion, then, I ask again: What difference do you claim that there would be between a universe designed for us and one that is not?

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13-02-2017, 10:15 PM
RE: For Atheists: Do you believe no god(s) exist?
I call bullshit.

Here's the large-scale structure of the universe. Kindly point to the bit that looks designed.

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