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09-06-2016, 07:25 PM
For The "Bernie or Busters"
This was on my FB feed, through another atheist friend of mine and I am in total agreement with this man thoughts so eloquently express and IMO perfectly true.

Please give this some thought. He gave permission for anyone to copy/share.

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Richard Lovejoy

Yesterday at 11:30am ·
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"I'm already seeing a bunch of posts on my feed from progressives who are upset that Sanders lost and are declaring that they will never vote for Clinton. Which is fair enough - your vote is yours and yours alone - but then I see them capping their posts with the sentiment that the country will "get what it deserves." I've seen that phrase more than once already on my wall and I want to talk about that for a second, because it distresses me.

I come into this as someone who is to the left of Sanders. I think he did an amazing service to the country in running, and he achieved way more than I thought he would. He's pulled the party to the left, and for that I am grateful. I too want money out of politics, and I think a more socialist system would serve more of us better than the current model our country employs. But it is quite unbecoming of anyone with even a shred of socialism in their political leanings to express such a punitive statement.

Right now, there are people who are fighting for their very right to exist. And they damn well deserve to exist. To refuse to help them in their struggle simply because you are upset that you didn't get exactly what you wanted is a very Trump-like stance. "If I don't get what I want, then screw you and yours." I'd say it is about as anti-socialist as you can get, and completely counter to the message Sanders was expressing. Ayn Rand's entire body of work is centered on such a sentiment.

Look at the trans bathroom bills. Look at Black Lives Matter. Look at what Trump is already saying, already doing. He's attacking a judge because of the man's ethnicity! If Trump gets elected, there are people who stand a very good chance of being erased by the policies he and a Republican majority would implement. Voting rights are under attack, as is a woman's right to choose what happens to her body. We are living in a terrifying, pivotal moment in history. If you truly believe in social justice, and if you truly want a better, more fair world for everyone, then I think there is a bit of incongruity between those beliefs and your stated desire to see the country "get what it deserves."

Here's what I think it deserves: It deserves justice. It deserves equality. The people in it deserve to exist. They deserve to be judged on their merits, not on their race, their creed, or their gender.

Democracy is emotional. We can become heavily invested in our choices and that can be a good thing. At the same time, democracy is also about compromise. And compromise isn't about picking "the lesser of two evils" - that's reductive. The 7% of the time Clinton and Sanders didn't both vote the same way in the senate doesn't make her "evil" - it just means she had a different policy opinion.

Compromise is understanding that if you want to sit at the table you are guaranteed to not get everything you want all of the time. Its the nature of the beast. Deciding you want to just flip the table because you didn't get all of your demands met and handed to you on a silver platter is not a mature action. Please don't be so small.

Which isn't to say you have to vote for Clinton. Jill Stein is pretty awesome, and though I disagree with the libertarian party on numerous fronts, I can respect that choice if that's the way you want to go. What I can't respect is the punitive desire to see others suffer - and possibly die. Those are the stakes here. It is a life or death election for many. I wish it weren't, but I don't get much of a say in the way the world is. All I can do is my part to try to make it a little bit better. I hope that you'll do yours."
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Just make the best vote you can but please do vote. Thx, H

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09-06-2016, 08:09 PM
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Politics is the art of the possible; the marathon is run one step at a time.

Taking your toys and going home is no way to conduct playtime.
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09-06-2016, 08:42 PM
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Yeah, the Bernie Or Bust position does seem more like a tantrum than a principled stance. I will gauge the atmosphere in November. If Texas is close, I will vote Hilary. If it's not close, I will vote the leading third party.

Bernie losing is not like Nader or Kucinich losing though. I don't really know why, but this loss twists my guts. Maybe it's just the fervor I saw pouring from crowds who seemed inspired by ideas that just months ago were barely worth mentioning in political circles. For instance single payer health care was a dead letter, and free public college a wild fantasy. Now they are part of the discussion.

I also am left of Bernie, but that's okay. The fact that he was left of every other presidential candidate in recent history, with the debatable exception of Nader, was enough for me. That's the "progress" part of being progressive. He changed the field of play so positions similar to mine are now in bounds.

The way to respond is to use the opportunity to elevate progressives within the party, not to quit and sulk. There are platform committees to staff with people who want to pursue progressive goals. There are rules committees which can take a long, hard look at the superdelegate system. There are precinct chairs who have an opportunity to mobilize people for protests, petitions, and meaningful reform instead of just overseeing volunteers at polls. There is so much work to do and for the first time in my adult life there are real leftists to do it. Bernie Or Bust is just too shortsighted.

I am still going to sob into my bourbon and ice cream this weekend though.
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09-06-2016, 08:47 PM
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It was a unique situation IMO. He was very close to making it and really a third party unto himself within the Dems.
I had not been as personally involved and invested in a long time. Nevertheless, I was never going to be a 'buster.
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09-06-2016, 10:36 PM
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The next president will very likely have a hand in picking more than one supreme court justice, with ramification that will last for decades. That is the long game. That's why you vote against Trump.

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09-06-2016, 10:46 PM
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I am sorry, but I think it is time for me to bust. Clinton has lied multiple times and only changes her position in order to look good. Between her hiding her speeches to goldman sachs and other nefarious things, I think you are getting what you deserve. This election is not different then choosing whether to die at the hands of letherface or jason, trump or hillary. Either way, everyone is fucked. I wish it wasn't this way, but humans like being lied to.

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09-06-2016, 11:02 PM
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It's sad he wn't get a run in the big time. Shame he didn't make a go of it in 04 or 08, right? I don't agree with his every view, but I certainly respect the integrity he brings to the table.
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10-06-2016, 12:33 AM
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Jill Stein!!

Her numbers are creepin' up.

We need more parties and better representation, y'all.

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10-06-2016, 03:50 AM
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(09-06-2016 10:36 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  The next president will very likely have a hand in picking more than one supreme court justice, with ramification that will last for decades. That is the long game. That's why you vote against Trump.

This speaks volumes, especially for women's rights. I would never sacrifice decades of young women simply because I didn't like a candidte. It just plain stupid to cut off your nose to spite your face. There's no reason to it, only childish tantrum.

But each party is made up of every kind of person, only petulant fools will try to damn us all.

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10-06-2016, 05:58 AM
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I'm hoping to see a four way race.

( R ), ( D ), ( G ) and ( L )........

And I'd like to see a third party win the popular vote .... Or, it'd be nice to see the Electoral College do so.

It's time for the "Big Two" to die the slow painful death, they so richly deserve.

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