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03-04-2012, 08:00 PM (This post was last modified: 03-04-2012 08:07 PM by satan69.)
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how have they overhyped the problem. you still didnt answer my question from a previous thread. if the debt is not a problem, what is your brilliant plan to deal with it , WHEN interest rates go through the roof because of the debt. lets say for example rates on the debt hit 10%. What does your economics keynesian class tell you to do when 1.6 trillion is due for 1 year. thats based on the debt now. what if it happens when we are at 20 trillion. interest rates were at 18% in the 80's. why dont you answer the question Mr hawking. you need to take a austrian economics class and you wouldnt sound soooo STUPID! Please answer the question. Dont say they WONT go up. thats not a answer. thats what they said in greece. if you had 300k in credit card debt and your rate went from 3% to 10%, would you have problems paying just the minimum payment. if your interest payment went from 9k to 30k a year, you would have to file for bankruptcy, and that is where we are headed in the next 3 years. ANSWER THE QUESTION PLEASE?? You are a economics expert. i want to know?
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03-04-2012, 08:07 PM
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No no, don't drop Red Herring. Let's get to the bottom of the original Logical Fallacy this post began with. I want to see it worked out first Tongue

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04-04-2012, 11:50 AM
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I want government big enough to interfere only with the economy,in other words to make sure corporations and fat cats don't exploit the majority.
And big enough to be able to provide public services and to make sure all citizens live decently.

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04-04-2012, 11:59 AM
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(04-04-2012 11:50 AM)znk666 Wrote:  to make sure all citizens live decently.
I'm happier in a system that allows the opportunity to live decently.

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04-04-2012, 12:18 PM
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(04-04-2012 11:59 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(04-04-2012 11:50 AM)znk666 Wrote:  to make sure all citizens live decently.
I'm happier in a system that allows the opportunity to live decently.
You really have no room to speak when you are working in the U.S's most socialist racket of the century. The military.

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04-04-2012, 12:26 PM
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(04-04-2012 12:18 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(04-04-2012 11:59 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I'm happier in a system that allows the opportunity to live decently.
You really have no room to speak when you are working in the U.S's most socialist racket of the century. The military.
Well I disagree with you. But I'm not in the military.

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04-04-2012, 01:16 PM
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(04-04-2012 12:18 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(04-04-2012 11:59 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I'm happier in a system that allows the opportunity to live decently.
You really have no room to speak when you are working in the U.S's most socialist racket of the century. The military.
Well not only is having a military a socialist program, the military is also a dictatorship and works pretty damn good. Civilians are all up in arms about such things but most of them have no clue. Just to list a few other social programs we have here in the states.

Public roads & Highway systems
Public Schools
Public Libraries
Public Transportation
Social Security
Medicare
Post Office
Fire, Police, and Rescue Departments
Welfare, WIC, and Food Stamps
Federal agricultural subsidies
Unemployment benefits



My VA disability benefits are social programs also, damn the luck!

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04-04-2012, 01:16 PM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2012 01:25 PM by Logica Humano.)
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(04-04-2012 12:26 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(04-04-2012 12:18 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  You really have no room to speak when you are working in the U.S's most socialist racket of the century. The military.
Well I disagree with you. But I'm not in the military.
You disagree that the military is the largest socialist mess in the U.S? Complete, 100% socialist healthcare, free to retirees up to 65? Stay in for 20 years and you get a pension for the rest of... not only your life, but your spouses' life too? When you hit the age of 65, the government offers subsidies for healthcare coverage? In most positions, you get job security? Free college tuition? Free housing? Cola pay in foreign countries? Absolutely.

Join the military, the most ridiculous socialist system in a crony capitalist society!


At least 90% of people who complain about government assistance and coverage talk out of both sides of their mouths. "How dare the government take our rights away!", and then "How dare the government give us our rights?" Western society provides this stuff to you, and you bitch about it because you are not in a situation where you need it. Yet.

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04-04-2012, 01:52 PM
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(04-04-2012 01:16 PM)Clint Barnett Wrote:  
(04-04-2012 12:18 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  You really have no room to speak when you are working in the U.S's most socialist racket of the century. The military.
Well not only is having a military a socialist program, the military is also a dictatorship and works pretty damn good. Civilians are all up in arms about such things but most of them have no clue. Just to list a few other social programs we have here in the states.

Public roads & Highway systems
Public Schools
Public Libraries
Public Transportation
Social Security
Medicare
Post Office
Fire, Police, and Rescue Departments
Welfare, WIC, and Food Stamps
Federal agricultural subsidies
Unemployment benefits



My VA disability benefits are social programs also, damn the luck!

I don't have a fundamental opposition to those programs. I may disagree on execution in some areas but overall I'm not anti welfare or anti social program. And yea the military works well but one must volunteer to give up certain rights in order to be in the military. It's by no means a good model of how government should function.

(04-04-2012 01:16 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(04-04-2012 12:26 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Well I disagree with you. But I'm not in the military.
You disagree that the military is the largest socialist mess in the U.S? Complete, 100% socialist healthcare, free to retirees up to 65? Stay in for 20 years and you get a pension for the rest of... not only your life, but your spouses' life too? When you hit the age of 65, the government offers subsidies for healthcare coverage? In most positions, you get job security? Free college tuition? Free housing? Cola pay in foreign countries? Absolutely.

Join the military, the most ridiculous socialist system in a crony capitalist society!


At least 90% of people who complain about government assistance and coverage talk out of both sides of their mouths. "How dare the government take our rights away!", and then "How dare the government give us our rights?" Western society provides this stuff to you, and you bitch about it because you are not in a situation where you need it. Yet.

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I disagree that I really can't speak on the matter. I didn't say the military couldn't be viewed as a quasi social program. However, it operates in much the same way that strict private companies do which is entirely within the rights of the business owner. Since no one is forced (not now at least) into the military then they really can't complain about practices inside a company that they volunteered for. And a contract is a contract so if you want out you will just have to breach that contract.



Also, I didn't really comment on welfare or socialism. Just that I prefer to live in a country/economy that provides the opportunity to build wealth and live comfortably. Not one that just hands over a 2 bedroom apartment, health care, food stamps, cash assistance, etc and then doesn't even charge those citizens federal income tax. They make use of an incredible amount of government programs and then pay nothing into the system. So how is it fair? Fair seems to be a frequently tossed around word in liberal economics.

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04-04-2012, 03:18 PM
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I think those social welfare programs are important and necessary- but that doesn't mean they couldn't use some overhaul and efficiency. They need to be there for the benefit of those who are unable to be completely boot-strappy all by themselves. People who stay entirely dependent on the programs need incentive to move away from them and assistance to break out. That assistance doesn't need to mean handing them more money- but it could mean handing over education or other programs designed to help them improve their position in life.
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