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11-03-2014, 12:59 PM
For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
Can you show me how morals acquire the ability to leap out of your brains, or of any other brain for that matter, and become an 'object'? If so, by what process does this occur?
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11-03-2014, 01:03 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
I don't know of many atheists who believe in objective morality.

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11-03-2014, 01:03 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
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11-03-2014, 01:09 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 01:03 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  [Image: the-Wicker-Man-6.jpg]



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11-03-2014, 01:19 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
Some examples of the Abrahamic god's "objective morality".

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. Exodus 21:7-11

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. Isaiah 13:15-18



Is this really a morality you support?
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11-03-2014, 01:20 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 01:19 PM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  Some examples of the Abrahamic god's "objective morality".

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. Exodus 21:7-11

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. Isaiah 13:15-18



Is this really a morality you support?

No. What does that have to do with anything?
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11-03-2014, 01:24 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
Shimmy,
There's no such thing as an objective morality. Even "god" does not have an objective morality (he pulls it out of his colon, I believe) but subjectively declares what is good and what is bad. He can always change his mind.

We humans make do with socially acceptable mores and call it good.

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11-03-2014, 01:25 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 01:09 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 01:03 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  [Image: the-Wicker-Man-6.jpg]




You know what a Strawman Fallacy is, right?


Of course you don't.


Fucking idiot.






(11-03-2014 01:20 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 01:19 PM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  Some examples of the Abrahamic god's "objective morality".

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. Exodus 21:7-11

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. Isaiah 13:15-18



Is this really a morality you support?

No. What does that have to do with anything?



It's YOUR xtard "objective morality.




And YES, you have shown your hand that you are an xtard apologist.

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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11-03-2014, 01:26 PM
For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
(11-03-2014 12:59 PM)shimmyjimmy Wrote:  Can you show me how morals acquire the ability to leap out of your brains, or of any other brain for that matter, and become an 'object'? If so, by what process does this occur?

I don't believe morals are born, fully formed, from someone's forehead. You may be confusing morality with Athena.

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11-03-2014, 01:27 PM
RE: For those atheists that believe in objective morality, can you prove it?
I do not believe in objective morality.

I do not believe in objective beauty.

But I do believe Megan Fox is more beautiful than Tilda Swinton.

How can I say such a thing without a standard of beauty?

I didn't say I had no standard of beauty. I said I had no OBJECTIVE one.

I have no objective standard of morality, either. But my subjective standard of morality is far superior to Jehovah's.
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